Relaunching the Men's Rights movement

[Elok]

It's either ignorant or dishonest to claim that it's only the writers at jezebel who are intolerant. That's something impossible to prove wrong. You are probably just taking advantage of 1) ignorance 2) apathy.

I meant Jezebel as an example of the type: the sort of "feminist" who treats "slut-shaming" as a problem equivalent to AIDS. Not the sort who tries to keep third world Muslims from executing rape victims. Both use the same label, see . . .

[Kidlicious]

I meant Jezebel as an example of the type: the sort of "feminist" who treats "slut-shaming" as a problem equivalent to AIDS. Not the sort who tries to keep third world Muslims from executing rape victims. Both use the same label, see . . .

Unfortunately they are mostly the same here in the West. Even when feminists from the third world come here they adopt the same attitudes as those from the West.

[Kidlicious]

The only concrete criticism of femininism that you've made lately is that it has unfairly caused a football player who assaulted his fiance to lose his job. Other than that you only paint femininism as some vague bogeyman that is trying to castrate all men

I've said plenty loinburger. Unfortunately, most everyone here was completely close minded, and resorted to typical bulk****. They didn't even agree that boys who have been sexually abused shouldn't have to pay child support when the perp gets herself preggo.

[Kidlicious]

It's a movement that has 'made sense' by providing women with equality and protection under law. Oh and the right to actually partake in the democratic process at all. Please explain exactly what doesn't make sense to you.



1) It is nothing to do with you whether feminism stays or goes. Why would you think you have the right to tell other people what they can believe and support? As for feminists not tolerating criticism, which feminists might these be? Given that there's no such thing as an umbrella organization of feminists, just a loosely defined ideology and a number of unconnected (and fairly small) groups of feminists attempting to achieve various goals or agendas, how does it even make any sense to claim 'feminists do x' or 'feminists think x'?

2) Patriarchy in the west might be laughable to you, because you're not one of the people who actually have to deal with it in the workplace and throughout society. You sound like a white guy insisting that racism 'isn't a thing any more'.

3) You can say whatever you like, and equally we can call you a ***** or an out of touch dinosaur or whatever. All this "feminism is stupid" stuff just makes you sound like an idiot though. Justify your wild claims, instead of just throwing all this vague bull**** around.

Incidentally, Elok is quite right. It sounds like nothing more than that you've heard some fairly extreme stuff from the feminist fringe groups and decided to buy into the nonsensical conspiracy theories that the MRA groups are peddling.

Patriarchy doesn't make sense. People don't hate women or want to keep them down. Stop with this bull****. You are the stupid ass not me.

[Kidlicious]

Kentonio, I don't believe you understand the complexity of the social system before the modern era. People didn't hate women. That is not part of the Christian heritage. People believed that women were more like children, and they still do. That said, they do not presently try to keep women down or put them back in their place, except for a small minority of very traditional Christians and people with mental illness. Society just isn't anything like what feminists claim it is.

[kentonio]

Patriarchy doesn't make sense. People don't hate women or want to keep them down. Stop with this bull****. You are the stupid ass not me.

Yes lots of people hate women and want to keep them down. These people are called misogynists. You hang out with quite a few of them at your MRA meetings.

Kentonio, I don't believe you understand the complexity of the social system before the modern era.

Oh glorious irony..

People didn't hate women. That is not part of the Christian heritage. People believed that women were more like children, and they still do. That said, they do not presently try to keep women down or put them back in their place, except for a small minority of very traditional Christians and people with mental illness. Society just isn't anything like what feminists claim it is.

What insufferable nonsense. You talk about Christian heritage, did you miss the parts in the bible where women are considered little more than chattle? Women have spent millenia being forced to bow to the will of men, treated as little more than walking vaginas and baby creating machines. They were largely prevented from holding any position of responsibility, suffered terrible levels of domestic violence and rape because a) no-one cared and b) their word ment less than a mans. Oh and in the rare cases where women had some semblance of privilage they got to enjoy special benefits like being married off to complete strangers to help their fathers advance.

Less than 50 years ago, women were being kept out of management roles, routinely sexually harassed in the workplace and still suffering
disgusting levels of sexual assault and domestic violence. Now things have improved a lot. Except of course for the continuing (but now not openly talked about) workplace discrimination, sexual harrassment and still now unacceptable levels of domestic abuse and sexual assault.

You want to talk about how women havent been kept down? Sort your ****ing head out before you pass the point of redemption.

[Kidlicious]

We don't hate women. We disagree with feminism, because it's stupid, bad for men (and women), and it's bad for society. You're a ****ing intolerant bigot who can't give people who disagree with you the benefit of the doubt. You are completely closed minded and you suffer from cognitive dissonance.

What was going on with men while women were having babies. They were working and fighting wars etc... Of course women had to have babies. Do you expect that men should have done that?

There is far more violence against men than there is against women. Women have MORE rights. They live very ****ing well in the West. You are ****ing retarded.

[SlowwHand]

What's a chattle? I might think they're chattles if I knew what it was. Is it a European thing? French?

[Aeson]

http://marriedwithchildren.wikia.com/wiki/NO_MA'AM

[Bereta_Eder]

Incidentally, Elok is quite right. It sounds like nothing more than that you've heard some fairly extreme stuff from the feminist fringe groups and decided to buy into the nonsensical conspiracy theories that the MRA groups are peddling.

That's the best scenario. The worst is that he is the founding member
Incidently poly has a new role now, it makes one very glad to be living somewhere else
I remember one such group going out on TV some time back. They were pathetic.
Even if there are legitimate concerns (for example should the social state do something for them), these are like the ISIS of the muslims.
Comfortably shoved to the fridges of society.

[Kidlicious]

http://marriedwithchildren.wikia.com/wiki/NO_MA'AM

Steve is a mangina

[Sava]

Don't worry Kid, there's hope for you yet.

[Kidlicious]

I want two

[kentonio]

We don't hate women. We disagree with feminism, because it's stupid, bad for men (and women), and it's bad for society. You're a ****ing intolerant bigot who can't give people who disagree with you the benefit of the doubt. You are completely closed minded and you suffer from cognitive dissonance.

So you speak for all MRA members now do you? Funny how your little group seems to resemble the groupthink of a cult more and more. Are you still capable of having a rational discussion about your beliefs or are you just going to keep parrotting out the MRA's soundbites? Oh and incidentally when people disagree with your ideas, that doesn't make them bigots. What makes people bigots is throwing out stupidly sweeping generalizations about a subset of society. Which of us keeps doing that do you think?

What was going on with men while women were having babies. They were working and fighting wars etc... Of course women had to have babies. Do you expect that men should have done that?

Even in a time when life was hard for men, women still had a worse deal. Do you understand the idea of being a second class citizen? Can you understand how it must have felt to live in a time when your thoughts, hopes, ambitions etc were completely ignored not because of your social position or your abilities or your potential but just because you were born female instead of male? Can you imagine what it felt like being subservient to people who had far less intelligence and talent and drive purely because you were born into the wrong group? (Just to make sure you don't misunderstand that point btw, no I'm not saying women as a group are smarter etc, just that there's many women smarter than many men, and vice versa).

There is far more violence against men than there is against women. Women have MORE rights. They live very ****ing well in the West. You are ****ing retarded.

The vast majority of violence towards men comes from other men for goodness sake. Similarly the vast majority of violence towards women also comes from men. As for women living very well, we all live well compared to times of old, but that doesn't mean that women shouldn't be able to push for total equality of the sexes.

When you say women 'have more rights' you're talking about of your ****ing ass. When was the last female president? How many female members of congress are there? (I'll help you out with that last one, there are 18.5% held by females despite over 50% of the population being women). What percentage of senior management jobs are held by women? Oh but women have more rights, because children are still largely placed with their mothers over their fathers right?

The ****ing irony is that many of the subjects that led you into this MRA bull**** are actually nothing to do with wider feminist thinkings. Mainstream feminism calls for things like equal working rights and pay for females, not for women to be considered more suitable parents than men. If anything that's nothing more than a very old fashioned way of looking at the genders that feminism has done a huge amount over the years to chip away at. 75 years ago we wouldn't even be having this stupid conversation because the idea of a man thinking he could be an equal care giver to kids would have been openly laughed and sneered at. It's the progress made by feminism that actually gives you the opportunity to whine like a little ***** about this stuff without every men you meet laughing in your face.

[kentonio]

What's a chattle? I might think they're chattles if I knew what it was. Is it a European thing? French?

Ok smartass, I made a typo, so sue me.