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Simply lying doesn't make a parody.Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View PostI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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It does if you profess you're telling the truthComment
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NoOriginally posted by Bereta_Eder View PostI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Yes
A parody (/ˈpærədi/; also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in use, is an imitative work created to imitate, or comment on and trivialize an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation.Comment
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To be fair, this is the only part I'd be interested in hearing more about.Originally posted by Elok View Post
However one has to say this.
In most nation born processes, the "founding fathers" were in tune with the epoch's ethos.
Not to sound condemning but I think some of the american founding fathers were, what would be called now, raving antisemites.
Also a war hero of liberation in Greece had a mouth that would put most foul mouthed people to shame.
i.e. a memorable phrase he used as a responce to turkish provocations on the battle field was "fart my balls".
One has to have a rather imaginative mind in order to grasp the somatic/body alignments/positionment that would have to take place for such a phrase to become a reality.
After careful study of the phrase we must assume that it would require one to have his penis inserted in someone else's anus. That's the only way one could in actuallity fart on someone else's balls. And while the actual act of farting could be considered as offensive, it is nowehere near what the other end would have to go through.
I suppose the point of all that is that yes, the founders of things did some splendid work for the people they fought for but shouldn't always be regarded as the compass for all things for the future. Be that a nation or even a religion. I think.Comment
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ball farting does not require penetrationTo us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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well, there goes my whole logical construct :/Comment
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To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Oh, our founding fathers run the gamut from "generally upstanding" (Hamilton) to "unbelievable sleazeball" (Jefferson). The thing is, Islam isn't supposed to be progressive in the same sense as America, with all that spiel we learned in civics class about how our Founding Fathers were so frightfully clever as to anticipate that the document would need to change, blah blah. It's intended to be the final revelation, the seal of the prophets, the perfection. If Mohammad himself was doing it wrong, it raises the question of who's doing it right. But if he was doing it right, it raises the question of how the rest of us are supposed to emulate him. People these days tend to frown on executing something like eight hundred Jews without a trial, then selling their dependents into slavery. If it comes to that, I don't believe I know eight hundred Jews, and all of the ones I do know wouldn't hold still for it. Not even if you asked them nicely.
Now, all religious traditions have those sticky spots, but Christianity's didn't come until centuries after Christ. Buddhism, much the same. And there's not a whole lot to criticize about Jesus or the Buddha in person. Confucius at least didn't do anything outrageous. The Tao Te Ching guy was probably mythical in the first place, and we can't point to any one person as starting Hinduism. With Judaism, Moses isn't the best example, but he's not as utterly central to the story as Mohammad is for Islam. And that's why Islam is uniquely problematic, from my POV.
Unpleasant verses in the Koran are less difficult; even for Muslims, the Book is not the whole story. I'm reading a history of the Abbasids right now. The Prophet hadn't been dead much more than a century before the caliphs in Baghdad were getting hammered and listening to epic poems about sodomy. Maybe the Umayyads before them were as bad, I don't know.Comment
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Well I'll say something that I have said before.
For me the core teaching of christianity is: love.
trying to do good, be good with your fellow human being.
So you love, you try and have forgiveness, you accept that you are a flawed human being and have humility.
the teachings of christ I believe have the guidelines for a serene, worthy life.
That's my interpretation backed by people I have seen who proclaim to be orthodox and do live such lives.
then they are others who also proclaim the same but are nowhere near and others who do not but are in fact near.
Since you seem to dwelve on these issues a lot (who would read books about abbassids and what not!) what would you say is the core teaching of islam?
is it the same as christianity's?
btw the foul mouthed war hero was him. as you see he has a huge white cross on his helmet and was particulalrly biased on two things: ethnos (greek) and religion (christianity). and he knew a lot of bad words as well.
in schools little kids learn this phrase about him:
"On a horse they go to church,
On a horse they kiss the icons,
On a horse they receive communion
From the priest's hand"
as well as his well known address to some of the first schools after the liberation where he basically said that he was an ignorant person and thought that education was the most valuable thing in life urging pupils to study hard.
the fart my balls incident required personal research since it has by now become a standard phrase to denote severe dismissal of someone and a belief that he/she can't do much to you. (an equivalant of flipping the bird (which was the ancient way) , only less kosher)Last edited by Bereta_Eder; October 12, 2014, 07:03.Comment
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I wouldn't say I know enough about Islam to accurately judge the whole thing in its essence, but my impression is that it's more about obedience--Islam means "submission," and the Five Pillars concentrate heavily on observing specific duties: the shahadah, pilgrimage, five daily prayers, fasting during Ramadan, and tithing. Of course Xianity has rituals, but they're later developments, and quite variable between denominations, some of which barely have any ritual at all. I think that in Islam, the important thing is (generally) to establish the correct relationship with God by attending to your duties, whereas even in a heavily ritualized version of Christianity like Orthodoxy, the fasts and prayers are seen as helpful means to a larger end, and are circumvented or abolished when not helpful.
Hence the story of St. John Maximovitch, where the boy who wanted to be a priest was fasting more rigorously than his parents were comfortable with. So St. John ordered the boy to go to the store, buy a sausage, eat it, and stop being disrespectfully willful. I can't imagine any Muslim scholar, outside of perhaps the highly syncretistic Sufis, advising someone to eat during daylight during Ramadan (except maybe for medical reasons). Because the ritual is something of an end in itself. However, I've read like four library books on Islam--that doesn't make me an expert.Comment
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Do they roast in a lake of fire for all of eternity if they don't obey?Originally posted by Elok View PostTo us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Love is very important. If you don't love you do nothing. But obedience is necessary for salvation. And that means surrendering everything to God, including your will. God commands his servants not to force people into submission just because the ends justifies the means. So you have to love and obey, not one or the other.Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View PostI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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