Drunk Drivers' Rights?

[DaShi]

All Ben's stories are the same: Ben does something wrong. "It's not my fault!"

[Ben Kenobi]

So in other words you've never used pot, and you're also not a scientist who has researched its effects, and have no basis for guessing whether pot makes someone unfit to drive and what dosage of pot is necessary to make someone unfit to drive a car.

Uh, I've had a pot user drive my car and get arrested, twice actually. Not a pot fan. Had to get car out of impound and both times the user, unsurprisingly, refused to pay. "User" is right.

It's gotten so it's almost the first question I ask now if I'm dating someone. Are you a pot user? Check, please.

[Ben Kenobi]

Insurance companies have rules for a reason. You were at fault. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Yeah, the other driver lied and said I ran a stoplight. Only, there was no stoplight. I even offered to drive the claims adjuster through the intersection but he was 500 miles away, he didn't know and didn't care.

Driver rear ended me. There was no stoplight involved, he was driving too fast and slid into me. I'm not sure how I'm at fault... I had to slow for a construction zone.

[DaShi]

Here's the link:

http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/macomb-county/16-year-old-from-st-clair-shores-killed-in-car-accident-in-roseville-7-other-people-injured

Here's a link to the reddit post:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/2bvgxr/im_all_against_drunk_driving_but_the_people/

So is this the new big movement for *******s? Drunk driving rights?

I don't know if these is a new movement, but it certainly has been getting a lot more activity lately. Perhaps in response to many of the stricter drunk driving laws some states have passed. Frankly, I have no sympathy for them. Their arguments too often fall into fallacies such as "I drove drunk and didn't get into an accident, therefore drunk driving doesn't cause accidents" as if the mere act of drunk driving itself isn't wrong.

[AAAAAAAAH!]

Cleaning up the messes they leave behind? Tons.

Potheads are saying exactly what drunks used to say. Word for word.

There was a time when you could find ads for alcohol that touted the health benefits. Now we have the same ads but for pot. I'm going to enjoy teaching that in history class.

1950's smoking ads with the pot advertisements today. Compare and contrast. How are pot smoker's views comparable to smoking in the 50s? Why might pot dealers want you to think these things?

So in other words you've never used pot, and you're also not a scientist who has researched its effects, and have no basis for guessing whether pot makes someone unfit to drive and what dosage of pot is necessary to make someone unfit to drive a car.

[Sava]

Insurance companies have rules for a reason. You were at fault. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

[Ben Kenobi]

How much experience do you have with pot?

Cleaning up the messes they leave behind? Tons.

Potheads are saying exactly what drunks used to say. Word for word.

There was a time when you could find ads for alcohol that touted the health benefits. Now we have the same ads but for pot. I'm going to enjoy teaching that in history class.

1950's smoking ads with the pot advertisements today. Compare and contrast. How are pot smoker's views comparable to smoking in the 50s? Why might pot dealers want you to think these things?

[Ben Kenobi]

Even if said accident wasn't your fault? What sort of criteria should be used?

I've been at fault for an accident that wasn't my fault either. My insurance didn't care.

Driving with alcohol in your blood is a major preventable increase in risk.

[AAAAAAAAH!]

Denial, ain't just a river in Egypt.

I'm going to enjoy the next 40 years of pointing out to children why my generation are morons.

Sava, innumerable Drunks have said the exact same thing as you did, gotten behind the wheel and killed someone. It's why we have drunk driving laws.

How much experience do you have with pot?

[N35t0r]

We still let old people drive despite slow reaction times ( and other impairments)

They do need to pass a drivers test (at least over here) every x amount of time, depending on their age. Also, being old is not something you can chose whether to do or not (but this is only tangentially relevant).

[N35t0r]

Denial, ain't just a river in Egypt.

I'm going to enjoy the next 40 years of pointing out to children why my generation are morons.

Sava, innumerable Drunks have said the exact same thing as you did, gotten behind the wheel and killed someone. It's why we have drunk driving laws.

lol totally missing the point LOL

Get in an accident with alcohol in your blood? Probably best to stop driving drunk.

Even if said accident wasn't your fault? What sort of criteria should be used?

[Ben Kenobi]

I could be stoned out of my mind, yet still be "okay to drive".

Denial, ain't just a river in Egypt.

I'm going to enjoy the next 40 years of pointing out to children why my generation are morons.

Sava, innumerable Drunks have said the exact same thing as you did, gotten behind the wheel and killed someone. It's why we have drunk driving laws.

I'm against punishing drunk drivers just for being intoxicated. If they're driving is dangerous, it'd be one thing, but when they're clearly not at fault, their alcohol level is irrelevant.

Get in an accident with alcohol in your blood? Probably best to stop driving drunk.

[Dauphin]

We still let old people drive despite slow reaction times ( and other impairments)

[N35t0r]

I'm against punishing drunk drivers just for being intoxicated. If they're driving is dangerous, it'd be one thing, but when they're clearly not at fault, their alcohol level is irrelevant.

Your driving can be totally not dangerous, but your reflexes might still be heavily impaired and cause an accident.

[N35t0r]

1) The driver of the oher vehicle should be charged with DUI, clearly.

1) The driver of the vehicle that ran the red light and crashed should be charged with the death of the girl, and is to be blamed for the accident.

1) Another item number one.