Palestinian Christians Refuse To Be Pushed Off Their Land

[molly bloom]

If Jesus believed that military service were an evil, why would he say that the Centurion had more faith than anybody else?

You suck at your alleged faith too.

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

from The Gospel According To Matthew- the one without the free gun with every purchase.

[molly bloom]

The Dutch have been in South Africa for a long, long, time. Longer, certainly than this ladies claim.

Un-f*cking believable. You compound your ignorance of Ottoman history, the history of Palestine and the Bible with another display of your astonishing hypocrisy and stupidity regarding South Africa.

Have the descendants of the Dutch settlers been in South Africa as long as the Bantu peoples ? No. How about the San and the Khoi ? Again, no.

Many (although not all), many Black south Africans that came to the region in the 20th century, have no historical ties to the area prior.

Who, for instance ? If you're talking about mineworkers, the apartheid government and the mining corporations advertised in places such as Malawi, for workers.

Who were on temporary contracts. TEM-POR-ARY. Know what that means ?


Should be a definition of your teaching career if there's any justice.

[Dr Strangelove]

Legally? Palestine is gone, and died in 1947 when they invaded Israel. Jordan has recognized the border as the Jordan river. Only Syria remains, and they have never claimed the west bank.

Actually it was aborted before it had a chance to be born. In 1947 there was no government of Palestine. The only organization allowed to operate on behalf of the Palestinian peoples, the "High Commission" was entirly composed of non-Palestinians. There had once been a "High Commission" composed of Palestinians, but it's members had all been "terminated with extreme predjudice" long before 1947. Great Britain found it useful to form their own "High Commission" composed of hand picked non-Palestinians While the British had allowed Jewish settlers to form political organizations and assemblies Palestinian organizations had been utterly suppressed. The Palestinians didn't invade Israel. There were Palestinians already living in the regions given to Israel, they were supposed to be there. The UN Mandate provided for the recognition of the property rights of native peoples living on Israeli territory.

[DinoDoc]

The UN Mandate provided for the recognition of the property rights of native peoples living on Israeli territory.

The UN mandate was rejected quite forcefully by all parties to the conflict in 1948.

[C0ckney]

Does anyone else understand what I am trying to say and can give me some support so Ben can understand?

everyone except ben understands what you're saying, as this view about decolonisation is completely accepted and uncontroversial. it's just that ben has an insane view of history and the world, which makes him incapable of understanding reality. i actually think it would be a good idea to show his students some of his posts from here, so they can learn more about his ridiculous beliefs.

Maybe the statute of limitations on Palestinian native claims to Palestine has expired (as Oerdin seems to believe given his comments about where people live has changed), but given that there are untold numbers of Palestinians alive today who were around in Palestine prior to 1947, we haven't reached that point yet.

exactly. if someone stole your land, then that is an injustice and it should be put right; if someone stole your ancestors' land hundreds of years ago, then that is a point of historical interest. the right approach in such cases is to create a society where the descendants of the dispossessed and those of the dispossessors can live in peace with equality.

there is also the bizarre and contradictory dual argument, often deployed by fundamentalist christians: firstly that might makes right, the wars in 1948 and 1967 mean that israel can take all the land they want, expel its inhabitants and deny them basic rights; and secondly, that israel has the right to the land because jews lived there in biblical times.

[Dr Strangelove]

Actually I misspoke. The Mandate for Palestine was the League of Nations document giving the British the authority to rule Palestine. The Partition Plan for Palestine was the Unitied Nations proposal for distribution of Palestine Mandate territory. While Israeli organizations were allowed to participate in the sub-committee negotiations Palestinians were not.

[Dr Strangelove]

, that israel has the right to the land because jews lived there in biblical times.

Genetic studies show that Palestinians are in general more closely related to the original population of the area than are Israelis.

[Dinner]

It's clearly his fault the Palestinians fought a war with Israel in 1947 and he deserves to have the land he's lived on for nearly 100 years taken from him. The Israelis have given him so much and he just keeps biting the hand that feeds him. /sarcasm

It doesn't really matter. In the end if there is a two state solution, as there must be, then there MUST be partition and population exchange. That's the only way a two state solution would ever work in the long run. That means there is going to be a hell of a lot of people who live on the wrong side of the line who are going to lose their homes because they have to move to the other side of the line. That's the hard reality which people are ignoring but it is how these things have worked in the past. That is what was done in Ireland, that is what was done in India, that is what was down in Vietnam, and, yes, that is what will be done in Israel too.

[Dinner]

If anything can unite Ben Kenobi, Dinner, and reg collider it's racism. :*(

Technically, it is nationalism as we're talking about a national group not a race. It's worth noting that even their fellow Arabs don't want Palestinians though because, as I said, Palestianians are a worthless people who never do anything but cause crime and terrorism.

[regexcellent]

The UN mandate was rejected quite forcefully by all parties to the conflict in 1948.

Actually the Israelis were willing to accept it, but the Arabs rejected it.

[Al B. Sure!]

I really wonder if anyone thinks it's okay if someone posted these comments:

Who gives a **** about the 1947 border? Only stupid people. Any final two state solution must take into account facts on the ground including where people actually live today. Don't like it? Tough ****. The worthless Jews have no one to blame but themselves for refusing to make peace sooner and I feel it is completely just that they pay a price for their refusal to make peace when several valid and perfectly acceptable offers have been made. The longer they want to drag it out, the less and less land they get.

My gives a **** is broken wrt the Jews.

More likely there is so much realism and factualilty in this thread. Yes, Jews are their own worst enemies and I, for one, am tired of humoring them. They need to pay a very real price for their intransigency, and then maybe they'll stop being complete and utter *********. Then again, they are worthless Jews so likely they'll continue being worthless *********. That's just what they do.

It's like when your dog keeps ****ting on the carpet. You keep rubbing his nose in it and spanking his butt hoping that will get him to stop ****ting on the carpet. The Jews are worthless dogs and people need to keep rubbing their noses in ****. They never get it, they probably never will, I'm done even trying to reason with them and think their noses belong rubbed in ****.

If it's not okay, why is it okay to say the same things about Palestinians?

[Bereta_Eder]

It's never ok but I think that oerdin doesn't do it out of malice but out of exasperation (as he sees it)

[Fake Boris]

Albie is correct, Oerdin is a racist POS.

[Dinner]

If it's not okay, why is it okay to say the same things about Palestinians?

When Jewish people repeatedly reject peace offers and instead decide to support terrorism then get back to me. Until then Palestinians

[Dinner]

Albie is correct, Oerdin is a racist POS.

See post #129, dumb ass. If you're going to call someone names then at least get it right.

Oh, and French Canadians are down there some where near Palestinians when it comes to troublesome minorities. But at least you're not terrorists so... Meh.