Uhm, WTF Britain?

[molly bloom]

At least Ben has the decency to shift goalposts or redefine words, rather than say the same things over and over and not realize they completely contradict each other.

Not true. Sister Bendy has a record of repeating the same lies, usually when he thinks people have forgotten about the original one. Also, he repeats the same errors- not knowing what heir apparent means, and that it has a definition in law, not comprehending that Elizabeth I never designated an heir, not understanding what a fief is- and he keeps on doing it, despite having the corrections in front of his face for easy future reference.

But then that's what taking up partisan positions because of your religion does to you , I imagine.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Hmmm, well it's been a while since I engage in discussion with Ben beyond a few posts (when he gets to shifting GPs and redefinitions, I'm out), so I guess I don't get to that stage.

Mea culpa!

(also, molly reminded me - that I'm perfect fine with folks who "negatively discuss" religion and don't debate like ****wits, like molly or even MOBIUS at times )

[kentonio]

Common pro-choice position? Not here. Yet you assume it is, once more completely not understanding the US while making pronouncements upon it.

Except that everytime an abortion debate has moved into things like term limits, there's been an amazing amount of consensus shown amongst both people who call themselves pro-choice and those that call themselves pro-life. Take the ****ing emotion out of it and boil it down to a simple compromise and people amazingly manage to find a middle ground.

And no, you waste of space, I called you a hypocrite because you beat the drum of you can't tell others what they can do with their own bodies, while TELLING OTHERS WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES, but after a "reasonable time". I called you a hypocrite for being one.

You're not nearly stupid enough to be this ****ing dense. We impose reasonable limits on pretty much everything people do in society, it's almost never as black and white as you're trying to make it sound. Do you have freedom of speech? How about shouting fire in a crowded theatre? Does that mean OMG YOU DON'T HAVE FREE SPEECH?!?!

Yet you act like this utter moron who can't see what is entirely in front of your face.

Or alternatively you're so emotionally invested in this **** that you can't have a reasonable conversation without resorting to temper tantrums.

At least Ben has the decency to shift goalposts or redefine words, rather than say the same things over and over and not realize they completely contradict each other.

Oh my gosh? You called me Ben?! I am slain!!

[Imran Siddiqui]

You are telling people "you can't tell them what to do with their own bodies" while telling people want to do with their own bodies after a "reasonable amount of time", which you know, is telling people what to do with their own bodies. That's basic hypocrisy. While it may make you feel high and mighty that you are yelling at people to get their hands off women's bodies, pro-choice activists would consider your views on late term abortions to be doing the same thing you seemingly object to.

And I care very little about abortion. I have never once voted for or against a pol on this issue. It's the stunning obvious hypocrisy that annoys the Hell out of me.

[kentonio]

You are telling people "you can't tell them what to do with their own bodies" while telling people want to do with their own bodies after a "reasonable amount of time", which you know, is telling people what to do with their own bodies. That's basic hypocrisy. While it may make you feel high and mighty that you are yelling at people to get their hands off women's bodies, pro-choice activists would consider your views on late term abortions to be doing the same thing you seemingly object to.

And I care very little about abortion. I have never once voted for or against a pol on this issue. It's the stunning obvious hypocrisy that annoys the Hell out of me.

Are you ****ing retarded? Seriously? You have entire countries full of people who call themselves pro-choice who have no problem with this. You have a ton of Americans here who call themselves pro-choice and pro-life who would be ok with something like a 24 week term limit. People who are pro-choice usually are really, REALLY uncomfortable with the idea of late term abortions when they feel able to talk openly about it. Most of the time though in the US they feel like they have to form a common front to prevent the hardcore pro-life groups trying to impose a total abortion ban.

You can talk 'hypocrisy' all you ****ing want, but it's exactly that kind of bollocks that continues to keep America in a battleground condition where neither side trusts the other and no progress on this stuff is ever made without people feeling like a fight has been lost.