4,000 must die so 300 can defend themselves

[Felch]

No, they don't. Mexico is awash in guns and they're sold from stores on any main street in the country. Don't believe me? Go down to Tijuana sometime and they'll happily sell you a Sasturday Night Special at any of dozens of tourist stands. They all are smaller than .38 cal though. This NRA talking point that Mexico somehow doesn't have guns is just a lie, oh, and before you even make the claim, yes, most of them are perfectly legal even down there.

So one of our "facts" is bullshi but it isn't mine.

Does Mexico have more guns than the United States? Let's check gunpolicy.org to find out.

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000 to 310,000,000

The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in the United States is 101.05 firearms per 100 people

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in Mexico is 15,500,000

The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in Mexico is 15.0 firearms per 100 people

Now, Oerdin, is 270,000,000 less than 15,500,000?

[Felch]

You're being a **** again because I never mentioned DC or Vermont, bright boy.

I mentioned them.

[Dinner]

Chicago (Murder Capitol of the US) begs to differ.

You're just wrong because there hasn't been a systematic reduction in guns in Chicago. All the criminals just straw buy them down in NC and the NRA makes sure those straw buyers are never caught. ACTUALLY reduce the number of guns and implement laws to help control access to guns to criminals (universal background checks with a universal registry and tracking of who bought the guns with a law saying NO gun can be sold except by a licensed gun dealer via a recorded transaction and the straw buyer problem goes away) and you'd see major positive results just like has happened in EVERY SINGLE OTHER first world country. Only ***** and liars say other wise.

[Sava]

I'm embarrassed for you Felch.

[Felch]

I said MY opinion, you illiterate bastard

cocksmoker

So that thing you said in the OP, that wasn't your opinion?

[Dinner]

Does Mexico have more guns than the United States? Let's check gunpolicy.org to find out.

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000 to 310,000,000

The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in the United States is 101.05 firearms per 100 people

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in Mexico is 15,500,000

The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in Mexico is 15.0 firearms per 100 people

Now, Oerdin, is 270,000,000 less than 15,500,000?

Now you're just being pendantic and attempting to avoid the issue. Guns are perfectly legal down in Mexico (with in limits) and it is extremely simple to buy them. Gun restrictions is not even a factor wrt crime in Mexico which was the original claim.

[Sava]

So that thing you said in the OP, that wasn't your opinion?

No. I take no credit for that opinion whatsoever.

[Felch]

Now you're just being pendantic and attempting to avoid the issue. Guns are perfectly legal down in Mexico (with in limits) and it is extremely simple to buy them. Gun restrictions is not even a factor wrt crime in Mexico which was the original claim.

It's not pedantic at all. You said that more guns equal more crime. I found, without looking very hard, an example of a country with fewer guns and more crime. Then you said that I was wrong about them having fewer guns. Is 15 million more than 300 million?

[Sava]

We agree. Oerdin has poor communication skills.

now stop being retarded

[Felch]

Fair enough

[Hauldren Collider]

Bah. Just tell me what huffpo or hotair says about this (depending on my chosen political party) so I don't have to think about it.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Swords are the answer to this question.

[Felch]

You're just wrong because there hasn't been a systematic reduction in guns in Chicago. All the criminals just straw buy them down in NC and the NRA makes sure those straw buyers are never caught. ACTUALLY reduce the number of guns and implement laws to help control access to guns to criminals (universal background checks with a universal registry and tracking of who bought the guns with a law saying NO gun can be sold except by a licensed gun dealer via a recorded transaction and the straw buyer problem goes away) and you'd see major positive results just like has happened in EVERY SINGLE OTHER first world country. Only ***** and liars say other wise.

Okay, let's say that the laws were changed so that:

• The private sale and transfer of firearms is prohibited, except in extraordinary cases
• Dealing in firearms by way of business without a valid gun dealer’s licence is unlawful
• The number and type of firearms which can be sold by a licensed gun dealer to a single gun owner is limited to one firearm per transaction. To sell individuals more than one gun, dealers must have receive special permission in advance
• The law requires that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
• Licensed firearm dealers are required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority
• Authorities maintain a record of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

Would that change anything for you?

Now you're just being pendantic and attempting to avoid the issue. Guns are perfectly legal down in Mexico (with in limits) and it is extremely simple to buy them. Gun restrictions is not even a factor wrt crime in Mexico which was the original claim.

What if I told you that all those legal changes I listed were already on the books in Mexico?

[Sava]

okay i got it out of my system
its fun watching the argument with oerdin

[Felch]

I do my best to entertain.