downsizing US military

[Al B. Sure!]

Wasn't Cockney supposed to be another example of British conservatism, along with ken? Or am I just confused by his quoting Chesterton in his sig?

Cockney's a borderline Communist.

[C0ckney]

Stop being disingenuous. I mentioned collectivisations, gulags, great leaps, cultural revolutions and killing fields.

all you did was post a list of crimes without once referring to any specific situation or context. someone arguing the opposite could do the same.

invasions, bombings, massacres, assassinations, installing and propping up brutal dictators and so on....

see? worthless isn't it.

This is more than a vague feeling that Communism is bad. It had dire implications to countries it came to in too many cases. Vietnam is a great example. Yes, a lot died. My position is that a lot more would have died as Communism spread though SE Asia and Oceania than died in conflict to contain it.

i'm glad that i was able to provide you with an example with which you could finally try to make your point. how exactly do think the americans losing the vietnam war saved south asia and oceancia from communism? perhaps you meant vietnam itself, where the north took over the south just 2 years the american troops left. or perhaps you meant laos; i'm sure the CIA funded 'secret war' did a lot of good there. or maybe you meant cambodia with your killing fields, and whose khmer rogue regime was toppled by...errr...communist vietnam.

[C0ckney]

Wasn't Cockney supposed to be another example of British conservatism, along with ken?

no.

Or am I just confused by his quoting Chesterton in his sig?

very possibly.

[C0ckney]

That won't be a compelling argument to Cockney.

of course not, as it's an assertion rather than an argument.

[Felch]

or maybe you meant cambodia with your killing fields, and whose khmer rogue regime was toppled by...errr...communist vietnam.

Our killing fields? Because Cockneyverse America supported the Khmer Rouge?

[C0ckney]

the killing fields in the list he typed.

[regexcellent]

c0ckney has the whole code pink thing going, where he thinks the world's all a conspiracy man, the bad guys are actually the good guys and the good guys the bad.

[regexcellent]

of course not, as it's an assertion rather than an argument.

Do you mean to say that communist governments do respect property rights?

Like, it's more or less a categorical requirement that they don't. Which is why it's not acceptable to just allow countries to be communist; property is an inalienable right to all people.

[Al B. Sure!]

Do you mean to say that communist governments do respect property rights?

Like, it's more or less a categorical requirement that they don't. Which is why it's not acceptable to just allow countries to be communist; property is an inalienable right to all people.

Cockney's desire for social justice trumps any Lockean sense of property.

It would be more compelling to him to demonstrate that the condition of life is worse under communism than under American 'imperialism'.

[Felch]

I wish there were a youtube clip of Futurama where robot Santa judges people, "Mobsters beating up a shopkeeper for protection money! Very naughty. Shopkeepers not paying their protection money — exactly as naughty!"

Kind of sums up Cockney's retardation.

[100% Wolf]

Do you mean to say that communist governments do respect property rights?

Like, it's more or less a categorical requirement that they don't. Which is why it's not acceptable to just allow countries to be communist; property is an inalienable right to all people.

Wait
Does that mean we should give homeless people some property...? They have an inalienable right to it.

[notyoueither]

all you did was post a list of crimes without once referring to any specific situation or context. someone arguing the opposite could do the same.

invasions, bombings, massacres, assassinations, installing and propping up brutal dictators and so on....

see? worthless isn't it.

Instead of being a tw@t try enquiring. That's how a useful discussion goes, but then again this is Poly so...

i'm glad that i was able to provide you with an example with which you could finally try to make your point. how exactly do think the americans losing the vietnam war saved south asia and oceancia from communism? perhaps you meant vietnam itself, where the north took over the south just 2 years the american troops left. or perhaps you meant laos; i'm sure the CIA funded 'secret war' did a lot of good there. or maybe you meant cambodia with your killing fields, and whose khmer rogue regime was toppled by...errr...communist vietnam.

I've been making my point quite well, thanks. Everyone gets it except those who refuse to.

Yup, the Yanks lost Vietnam and more of SE Asia. They (and others) saved S Korea, and likely others by putting up a fight. It was a war. You lose battles, and they learned the lessons they turned to great advantage in Afghanistan vs the Soviets. Who won the struggle for Asia in the end?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Cockney's desire for social justice trumps any Lockean sense of property.

It would be more compelling to him to demonstrate that the condition of life is worse under communism than under American 'imperialism'.

Jeez, this is a sad thread when Al is the voice of reason here . Now try his argument in this discussion (which I think isn't necessarily always the case, but it is more times than not).

[Aeson]

Wait
Does that mean we should give homeless people some property...? They have an inalienable right to it.

They deserve the right to own their cardboard signs rather than to just use cardboard signs owned by the state

[C0ckney]

I have nothing worthwhile to say