Republicans have once again demonstrated that they are the party...

[dannubis]

I am waiting for your example for the other camp...

[kentonio]

Democrats Have A Shot At Taking Back The House As Republican Popularity Continues To Drop: Poll

A new survey of 25 GOP-held districts shows dwindling favorability for Republican members of the House in the wake of the recent government shutdown.

The survey, conducted by liberal-leaning Public Policy Polling and funded by MoveOn.org, is the third in a series of polls that indicate Democrats have a shot at taking back the House of Representatives in the 2014 election cycle.

The results of the latest survey show that incumbent Republicans in 15 of the 25 districts polled trail generic Democratic candidates. When combined with the results of the previous surveys, the polls show that generic Democratic candidates lead in 37 of 61 GOP-held districts.

When voters were informed their Republican candidate supported the government shutdown, 11 more districts flipped and one race became a tie.

Democrats in the House only need to see a net increase of 17 seats in order to take back the majority. This poll indicates that Democrats could see an increase of as many as 49 seats.

Public Policy Polling indicated several caveats to the results. The surveys were conducted during a high-profile budget crisis debate, a year before the elections will take place. And incumbent Republican candidates were compared to "generic Democrats," who may not represent the actual candidates each district will see.

"Democrats must recruit strong candidates and run effective campaigns in individual districts if they are to capitalize on the vulnerability revealed by these surveys," Public Policy Polling's Jim Williams said of the caveat, "and they must maintain a significant national advantage over Republicans."

Recent polls conducted by the Pew Research Center and NBC/Wall Street Journal are consistent with the survey's claim that the Republican party took a hit from the fiscal crisis. Pew found that more Americans blamed Republicans for the shutdown, and NBC/Wall Street Journal found that the Republican party was "badly damaged" by it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4133836.html

Ouch.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Why? Guy has the notion that Ben is intellectually dishonest. I'm not disabusing him of the notion, merely indicating the Fun has evidenced it in this thread.


There is no need for example to affirm a notion already held by Guy.

[Guynemer]

I rarely see MrFun actively lie the way Ben does.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Is it an outright lie to effectively state "Don't take me seriously." While asking to be taken seriously?


Or is that simply argueing in bad faith, taking the easy way out of taking any responsibility for your statements.


I suppose your right in that it is lesser infraction than outright lieing. Both offenses are deeply disingenuous however.

[Sava]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4133836.html

Ouch.

I'll accept Guy's apology if this happens.

[PLATO]

I'll accept Guy's apology if this happens.

And offer one if it doesn't?

[Sava]

Why? I've repeatedly said that I could be wrong. Guy's statements were much more absolute.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I rarely see MrFun actively lie the way Ben does.

Truth.

I'm aghast that some on the right want to equate Fun with BK in terms of intellectual dishonesty. I mean, Fun isn't even as bad as Oerdin on this matter.

[Sava]

MrFun is just a shill. I can't recall him ever lying... like Nikolai or BK.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't recall Nikolai lying much. Maybe he has, I dunno.

However, its an interesting case in point - both BK and Nikolai are strong passionate defenders of their religion, even amongst people who are anti-faith. However, people hate BK, while respecting Nikolai.

The reason? I can't explain it any better than Elok did:

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/204302-The-friends-of-Ben-thread?p=6265220&viewfull=1#post6265220

I think I've said this before, but for me at least, the issue with Ben is not his point of view but his persistent bad faith in advancing it. He employs blatantly fallacious tactics, refuses to acknowledge his errors when they are pointed out (by numerous people), reiterates refuted arguments two pages later when he thinks we've forgotten, moves goalposts, redefines terms...in general, he is simply dishonest. There are other people with ugly opinions on here, but none so persistently underhanded as BK.

[DinoDoc]

I'm aghast that some on the right want to equate Fun with BK in terms of intellectual dishonesty.

I only brought Fun up because Ken was saying that Ben was the most ridiculous History Grad he'd ever seen. I simply assumed he'd never seen MrFun's posts.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I've never actually seen MrFun say anything nearly as delusional as BK's views on the Tudors.

[Guynemer]

I'll accept Guy's apology if this happens.

I would LOVE to be wrong on this, Sava.

[Sava]

I would LOVE to be wrong on this, Sava.

Yes.

I just think it's funny that I'm the optimist here.