The story of Jesus was made up by the Roman Empire

[Imran Siddiqui]

...are we really debating the god-damned Schism and ****ing Crusades? Jesus tap dancing Christ on a cracker, why did I open this thread?

The Elok parts are pretty awesome .

I always thought the Great Schism and the 4th Crusade were very interesting historical events. Its just with Westerocentrism we tend not to even register that the East exists aside from like China and Ay-rabs.

[Imran Siddiqui]

BTW, Muslims are more my friend than Catholics... as they gave a crap about saving Jews during the Holocaust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Mosque#History

Well, the historical record shows that plenty of Catholic priests and churches (including the Vatican) were used to save Jews.

[Sava]

Well, the historical record shows that plenty of Catholic priests and churches (including the Vatican) were used to save Jews.

shh

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sorry... I didn't know you were trolling... considering you have BK on ignore.

[Sava]

other people keep quoting him

[Guynemer]

Seriously. Stop quoting Ben, everyone.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You can stop reading this thread perhaps?

[Guynemer]

I mean in general, not just this thread.

Everyone. Everywhere. For all time. STOP QUOTING BEN

[Sava]

agree with Guy

[N35t0r]

agree with Guy

I've joined the club

[Sava]

[Elok]

The Elok parts are pretty awesome .

I always thought the Great Schism and the 4th Crusade were very interesting historical events. Its just with Westerocentrism we tend not to even register that the East exists aside from like China and Ay-rabs.

That's okay, we all ignore the 'stans, except when we're invading them. Or, centuries ago, vice-versa.

If you asked a cantankerous old Greek/Russian/Serbian dude, he'd likely have nothing good to say about Turks or Catholics. But, to be fair, he'd loathe the Turks and merely look down on the Catholics (possibly not if he was Greek). I've had friends who were Muslims or Catholics, so I don't really dislike either group--but it is weird how most Catholics don't seem to realize how much trouble they've caused us in the past.

RE: the Holocaust, during WWII, the protos of Mt. Athos wrote and asked Hitler to put the mountain under his personal protection. As expected, Der Fuhrer was enormously flattered, and gave strict orders for his troops to stay out. The monks, as the story goes, then quietly offered shelter to a number of Jewish women. When the Nazis came asking, the monks noted that they had never, ever given women permission to set foot on the peninsula. And, after the war ended, they never did.

[Nikolai]

Right. Which is why you called us on over to help you out after you ****ed yourselves over with the Turks? Which is why we fought and died for that - they were in Nicaea by the time we got there in the first crusade.

Yeah, because we were motivated to eradicate all traces of Orthodoxy. Christ, this is like a wife married to an abusive husband. "But at least he loves me." No, no, he doesn't

Islam is not your friend.

I mean in general, not just this thread.

Everyone. Everywhere. For all time. STOP QUOTING BEN

This is for you Guy.

[Sava]

If you asked a cantankerous old Greek/Russian/Serbian dude, he'd likely have nothing good to say about Turks or Catholics. But, to be fair, he'd loathe the Turks and merely look down on the Catholics .

Correct.

[Imran Siddiqui]

it is weird how most Catholics don't seem to realize how much trouble they've caused us in the past.

Which Ben goes to prove in this thread. Its like a "I don't remember that we did stuff to you, so why do you?"