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  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    Why on earth would he contact healthcare.gov? You don't seriously think that this is more likely to get fixed or publicized if he tells the people running the ****ty website vs. the press?
    Heritage foundation is the press?
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    • Originally posted by pchang View Post
      Funny he decided to contact the Heritage foundation instead of healthcare.gov about the security flaw......
      Maybe he couldn't get through to the website's report function?
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      • Originally posted by Aeson View Post
        If we had won Vietnam we would have had to go to war with the Khmer Rouge after.
        Good. Maybe we would have prevented one of the worst genocides of the 20th Century.
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        • Originally posted by pchang View Post
          Funny he decided to contact the Heritage foundation instead of healthcare.gov about the security flaw......
          They already knew, and they went ahead anyway.
          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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          • Originally posted by Captain ******* Kirk View Post
            Good. Maybe we would have prevented one of the worst genocides of the 20th Century.
            We obviously would not have prevented genocide there. If we had wanted to do so, we could have at least tried to do so. Demonstrably we didn't give a **** at the time. And that while not having much of our military being tied up doing some shoddy 70's version of nation building in Vietnam.
            Last edited by Aeson; November 3, 2013, 21:41.

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            • "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

              You Also Can't Keep Your Doctor
              I had great cancer doctors and health insurance. My plan was cancelled. Now I worry how long I'll live.

              By Edie Littlefield Sundby

              Everyone now is clamoring about Affordable Care Act winners and losers. I am one of the losers.

              My grievance is not political; all my energies are directed to enjoying life and staying alive, and I have no time for politics. For almost seven years I have fought and survived stage-4 gallbladder cancer, with a five-year survival rate of less than 2% after diagnosis. I am a determined fighter and extremely lucky. But this luck may have just run out: My affordable, lifesaving medical insurance policy has been canceled effective Dec. 31.

              My choice is to get coverage through the government health exchange and lose access to my cancer doctors, or pay much more for insurance outside the exchange (the quotes average 40% to 50% more) for the privilege of starting over with an unfamiliar insurance company and impaired benefits.

              Countless hours searching for non-exchange plans have uncovered nothing that compares well with my existing coverage. But the greatest source of frustration is Covered California, the state's Affordable Care Act health-insurance exchange and, by some reports, one of the best such exchanges in the country. After four weeks of researching plans on the website, talking directly to government exchange counselors, insurance companies and medical providers, my insurance broker and I are as confused as ever. Time is running out and we still don't have a clue how to best proceed.

              Two things have been essential in my fight to survive stage-4 cancer. The first are doctors and health teams in California and Texas: at the medical center of the University of California, San Diego, and its Moores Cancer Center; Stanford University's Cancer Institute; and the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston.

              The second element essential to my fight is a United Healthcare PPO (preferred provider organization) health-insurance policy.

              Since March 2007 United Healthcare has paid $1.2 million to help keep me alive, and it has never once questioned any treatment or procedure recommended by my medical team. The company pays a fair price to the doctors and hospitals, on time, and is responsive to the emergency treatment requirements of late-stage cancer. Its caring people in the claims office have been readily available to talk to me and my providers.

              But in January, United Healthcare sent me a letter announcing that they were pulling out of the individual California market. The company suggested I look to Covered California starting in October.

              You would think it would be simple to find a health-exchange plan that allows me, living in San Diego, to continue to see my primary oncologist at Stanford University and my primary care doctors at the University of California, San Diego. Not so. UCSD has agreed to accept only one Covered California plan—a very restrictive Anthem EPO Plan. EPO stands for exclusive provider organization, which means the plan has a small network of doctors and facilities and no out-of-network coverage (as in a preferred-provider organization plan) except for emergencies. Stanford accepts an Anthem PPO plan but it is not available for purchase in San Diego (only Anthem HMO and EPO plans are available in San Diego).

              So if I go with a health-exchange plan, I must choose between Stanford and UCSD. Stanford has kept me alive—but UCSD has provided emergency and local treatment support during wretched periods of this disease, and it is where my primary-care doctors are.

              Before the Affordable Care Act, health-insurance policies could not be sold across state lines; now policies sold on the Affordable Care Act exchanges may not be offered across county lines.

              What happened to the president's promise, "You can keep your health plan"? Or to the promise that "You can keep your doctor"? Thanks to the law, I have been forced to give up a world-class health plan. The exchange would force me to give up a world-class physician.

              For a cancer patient, medical coverage is a matter of life and death. Take away people's ability to control their medical-coverage choices and they may die. I guess that's a highly effective way to control medical costs. Perhaps that's the point.
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              • Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                We obviously would not have prevented genocide there.
                I don't know why this is obvious to you. The US did its best to keep first Sihanouk and then Lon Nol in power and the Khmer Rouge out until its withdrawal from Vietnam in 1973.
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                • Originally posted by Captain ******* Kirk View Post
                  I don't know why this is obvious to you. The US did its best to keep first Sihanouk and then Lon Nol in power and the Khmer Rouge out until its withdrawal from Vietnam in 1973.
                  You mean the Lon Nol, who was allied with the Khmer Rouge? Then (with our support and the Vietnamese) was overthrown by Sihanouk ... who was allied with the Khmer Rouge? Or maybe it was how we supported the Khmer Rouge later on that makes you think we would have stopped their genocide?

                  It was a cluster****. We did **** all to help keep Cambodia from being controlled by the Khmer Rouge, and actually helped them gain and then keep control.

                  The only way we'd have stopped the Khmer Rouge is after the genocide was mostly done, if they still would have invaded Vietnam under our control. Even then we probably would have fought the same war we did against N Vietnam .. meaning just defensive.

                  What we would have accomplished was keeping the rift between Vietnam and Khmer Rouge from leading to the demise of the Khmer Rouge, and lessened the tensions between China and the USSR while increasing the tensions between China and us.
                  Last edited by Aeson; November 4, 2013, 00:06.

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                  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
                    Nobody believes you care about people dying from cancer.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • Originally posted by Captain ******* Kirk View Post
                      I don't know why this is obvious to you. The US did its best to keep first Sihanouk and then Lon Nol in power and the Khmer Rouge out until its withdrawal from Vietnam in 1973.
                      Yeah it was pretty much our pullout from Vietnam that did it in for the anti-communists in Laos and Cambodia.

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                      • As an aside, if Vietnam did noy go the way it did would Nixon have gone to China?
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                        • Vietnam was more closely aligned with the Soviet Union than with China.

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                          • Wiki says Vietnam was a factor in the trip. Rattling Mosco's cage and alludes to China giving some support to Hanoi.
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                            • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                              Vietnam was more closely aligned with the Soviet Union than with China.
                              Which is why it was better for us to not be Vietnam. Otherwise it might have been the USSR visiting China to ruffle our feathers.

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                              • Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                                Wiki says Vietnam was a factor in the trip. Rattling Mosco's cage and alludes to China giving some support to Hanoi.
                                It'll probably be one of those things we'll never know, but I suspect he would have made the trip anyway to complete China's realignment.

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