Ariel Castro dead

[MOBIUS]

Also, WTF is life in prison plus 1,000 years!!? Why come up with stupid sentences like that!?

The fact of the matter remains that he was able to rape and brutalise 3 women for over 10 years and his punishment in effect only lasted four months from when he was found out.

[Lorizael]

I've really never understood why people conflate justice with vengeance.

[DinoDoc]

You just don't get it, do you?

Whoever killed him (be it suicide or murder) did the victims a favor, MOBIUS. As long as the son of a ***** was living he'd be the center of interest and conversation and his death shoves his existence in a very real sense into the past. His victims are no free in a very real sense to get about the process of becoming themselves again rather than pawns in the story of Castro.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I've really never understood why people conflate justice with vengeance.

Yes considering the existence/establishment of justice systems was to defeat the inevitable cycle of clan reprisals in the name of vengence.

[Dinner]

I would have liked to see him live just so specialists could learn why he did what he did. As much as I am appalled by what he did and he kidnapped and tortured those poor women I think science could have learned a lot from what went wrong in his brain. Maybe even eventually came up with ways to figure out which sort of people are more likely to commit these sorts of crimes.

[giblets]

I've really never understood why people conflate justice with vengeance.

Because they believe that justice requires punishing people? And vengeance is just punishing someone for doing something to you? That would mean the concepts of justice and vengeance overlap a lot.

[MOBIUS]

The thing is, once someone is dead, you can no longer punish them.

[rah]

He wasn't on suicide watch because they figured since he pleaded out to avoid the death penalty that he wasn't at risk. Opps.
It does make you wonder if foul play wasn't involved.

[Lorizael]

Because they believe that justice requires punishing people? And vengeance is just punishing someone for doing something to you? That would mean the concepts of justice and vengeance overlap a lot.

Indeed. After all, there's a lot of overlap between beating a video game and beating your wife.

[The Mad Monk]

Lori, you may want to rethink that.

[Lorizael]

Seems logical to me.

[giblets]

Indeed. After all, there's a lot of overlap between beating a video game and beating your wife.

Possibly if you used the same definition of "beating" in both cases much like the word "punishing" in my post.

[Lorizael]

See Ogie's followup to my post. The whole point of justice is that it is something more than just vengeance. Conflating the two is like conflating chemistry with alchemy. Yes, chemistry has its historical roots in alchemy, but if you don't realize that the two are fundamentally different now then you're missing the point.

[giblets]

The main difference is that justice is carried out by a state which acts as an impartial third party and is too powerful for the loser in the dispute to challenge.

[Lorizael]

Like I said, you're missing the point. But the difference involves filosofy, so you probably won't give a ****.