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Deterrence is one theory of justice, yes. Congratulations on not being completely ignorant as to the subject matter.
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"one theory of justice"? Do you think there's some cosmic imperative to lock someone up because they did bad things? We do it to keep them from doing more bad things and as a warning to people who might do things. That's it. It is extremely uncomplicated.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Except that it is, if one believes in a civil society living within legal framework as opposed to anarchy.Justice isn't really different from vengeance in a meaningful way."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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HC: IIRC, the two brothers were pretty upset with Ariel. I don't think they are shedding any tears for him. I'm not sure what "family" of his, that you speak of, is distraught over this.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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The lawyer said Castro's family was distraught in the article. Might have been lawyer bull****.Originally posted by Sava View PostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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I'm not sure if you realize that your definition of justice is not at all the same as what vengeance is. Vengeance isn't about deterrence; it's about making us feel better. So the meaningful difference between the two concepts is one that you, in fact, have posited.Originally posted by Hauldren ColliderClick here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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Yeah. I would think so.Might have been lawyer bull****.
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To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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It seems kind of ****ed that he basically got to live his dream until he got caught and then said "nope" about not living the dream."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
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Poly/my PC goes into infinite-waiting mode every time I hit Reply With Quote, so I'm just going to skip the quoting.
HC, there are three general theories as far as justice goes: its purpose is either retribution, rehabilitation or deterrent. I personally don't believe in retribution--aside from its incompatibility with my religion, the whole concept seems abstract, arbitrary and rooted in emotion rather than serving any concrete purpose. I'm fine with the other two; the problem is that the American justice system at present doesn't do a whole lot of rehabilitating. Or so I hear.
However, when most people speak of "justice," they tend to mean it in the retributive sense; the criminal and/or victim got what they deserved. Whatever the hell desert is.Comment
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Why did he bother pleading guilty to avoid the DP?
BecauseThe Cuyahoga County prosecutor had tough words in the wake of Castro's suicide.
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You're right, I forgot, retribution--our justice system also exists to prevent people from exacting vigilante justice. It's less important than the other two, however.Originally posted by Lorizael View PostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Rehabilitating is a nice idea if it works, but it's really more important that we prevent crimes from happening in the first place, and the easiest way to do that is the threaten to hurt people if they act criminally. Retribution is going to happen one way or the other. The victims are going to demand it, and if we don't give it to them, they'll take it.Originally posted by Elok View PostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Rehabilitation can work marvelously if it's done right:
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To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Again, you're focusing on one theory of justice, and not the only one that is compatible with the system we have at present. For example, there's a certain view of justice as being a restorative force. When someone does something wrong, justice is making it right. From that point of view, justice isn't about preventing criminal activity; we have police, schools, and safety nets for that. Justice is about undoing whatever wrong has occurred. That can mean rehabilitation of the offender, or remuneration for the victim, or forcing the criminal to provide services to the state, etc.Originally posted by Hauldren ColliderClick here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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