A Brief History of Hauldren Collider

[Hauldren Collider]

Butb there are - it's just called jails. This is the ultimate public healthcare system. People gets housing, clothing and are fed appropriately

Actually, not giving people healtcare, foodstamps etc. just makes way more people to join this perfect system

Thank you for paraphrasing Dwight Eisenhower.

[Dauphin]

They could, but I don't know why they would. What exactly is your objection to letting people choose how to spend money? We aren't soviets.

When it's your money you're giving them, and you gave it for a stated reason, don't you have a right to comment on how that money you gave is spent?

[Dauphin]

I generally agree that people should choose what to spend their money on, but I get peeved when I see articles like this (I know that it is anecdote only):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185

"Ray, 45, says: "I would love to be able to say that we are living in one of these eight-bedroom mansions that everyone is up in arms about, but no, we are stuck in a three-up, two-down house that has external measurements of barely 19ft by 25ft."

"We have three teenage boys living in one room that barely fits their bunks and a chair-bed in it and two teenage daughters in a smaller room that barely fits their bunks in it.

"In the third bedroom we have ourselves and a five-year-old boy."

The family receive a total of £30,284.80 a year in benefits - well over the £26,000 cap proposed by the government. But, says Raymond, "If these proposals go through we will take a massive hit to our finances - and it's not as if we could move into a smaller or cheaper premises.

"I see eight people here having to choose between eating or heating."

The benefit cut would mean they lost £82/week. Their weekly shop "includes food and household goods, 24
cans of lager, 200 cigarettes and a large pouch of tobacco".

I can see that they would rather lose food or heating over alcohol and ciggies.

[DaShi]

That's because poverty is a bigger problem than lack of money. HC's method is certainly better than doing nothing, but it is not as effective as addressing the causes of poverty and creating economically productive people.

[Egbert]

When it's your money you're giving them, and you gave it for a stated reason, don't you have a right to comment on how that money you gave is spent?

I think HC's idea of income redistribution is tax cuts and subsidies for rich white boys financed by benefits abolished for the poor and tax increases for the poor. Of there would be no right on comment on how the money reallocated to rich white boys should be spent.

[Egbert]

Actually, my health insurance plan has a very high deductible.

1. Actually, there are people too poor to afford health insurance.
2. You need an income high enough to be worth taxing before tax deductions matter.

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[Dinner]

I think HC's idea of income redistribution is tax cuts and subsidies for rich white boys financed by benefits abolished for the poor and tax increases for the poor. Of there would be no right on comment on how the money reallocated to rich white boys should be spent.

Which is, literally, exactly what Republicans are always demanding. Slash education because educated people tend to think for themselves instead of doing as they're told (especially wrt Religion and the militant protestant fundamentalists control that party), eliminate welfare because it's the kids fault for not finding better parents, eliminate food stamps because if granny had more motivation she'd get a job at age 90 if she didn't like eating cat food, eliminate the minimum wage because it's unfair to make companies pay more than 3rd world wages, eliminate all regulations because why does it matter if companies give everyone cancer (surely the market will sort itself out even if there is no one monitoring to inform them with factually based data), land use laws are theft because if you don't want to live next to the exploding chemical plant you should have become a millionaire instead of being poor and wanting to actually be physically safe in your own home, eliminate all environmental laws because no one cares if rivers are lifeless and that the water in them actually catches fire and burns (really we did have that problem with rivers catching on fire).

It's the Republican vision for American which can be summed up as "I got mine now **** everyone else".

[Hauldren Collider]

1. Actually, there are people too poor to afford health insurance.
2. You need an income high enough to be worth taxing before tax deductions matter.

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You ****ing idiot. High deductible has nothing to do with tax deductions.

[Hauldren Collider]

I think HC's idea of income redistribution is tax cuts and subsidies for rich white boys financed by benefits abolished for the poor and tax increases for the poor. Of there would be no right on comment on how the money reallocated to rich white boys should be spent.

Since this is literally the opposite of what I said, I have no clue where you get this retarded notion.

[giblets]

You ****ing idiot. High deductible has nothing to do with tax deductions.

He's not an idiot, he just doesn't live in a country with a loony health care system where people have to know what "deductible" means.

[Hauldren Collider]

Deductible is a concept in all forms of insurance, something that I am pretty sure exists in Australia. For instance, my car insurance is also high deductible.

[giblets]

Good point. If he has a car he's too stupid to drive it.

[Dauphin]

Deductible is a concept in all forms of insurance, something that I am pretty sure exists in Australia. For instance, my car insurance is also high deductible.

It's called the "excess" in our terminology, if you mean the amount you pay before insurance starts paying your costs so as to avoid petty claims. Even though excess should mean the amount over which the insurer will not pay.

Else deductible makes you immediately think "tax".

[Fake Boris]

In this case it clearly means "amount you deduct from claim to verify eligibility".

[Egbert]

Deductible is a concept in all forms of insurance, something that I am pretty sure exists in Australia. For instance, my car insurance is also high deductible.

The concept has a different name in a different country.