New Trouble for South China Sea?

[Docfeelgood]

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I really don't have much room to laugh.

[notyoueither]

The idea that the Canadians could kick US ass even with help from the French and British kinda strains belief.

Pretty much the only thing going for Canada in that scenario is that most of the border along populated areas is a water border, but I doubt that would be too much of an obstacle.

The Canadian Army is very small, but very good.

It the book the Canucks correctly guessed that the US would lead with air landings at major airports. They surrounded the air strips in Toronto with anti-aircraft and other missile crews along with the Canadian, British, and French airbourne. They waited until the airlanding had many planes on the ground then blew a couple up and ordered the others to park and not unload. The Canadians then held the Hercs loaded with marines and special forces hostage until the US backed off. A couple aircraft that opened doors were blasted.

It was far fetched, but it was the 70s when the quality of US soldier and leadership was somewhat in question.

[giblets]

Canada is really big, though, and invading something is hard. France/Britain would be useful for the nuclear side of things, and Canada does have a decent air force and whatnot that would make it pretty hard to invade effectively (particularly if our objective is taking particular mines/etc., which they could just hit themselves, Saddam-style).

I don't think Canada's size is going to stop the US from wiping out its air force. Canada would lose, unless your standards are so low that you consider a difficult to suppress guerrilla warfare campaign in the wilderness a victory.

[PLATO]

Canada is really big, though, and invading something is hard. France/Britain would be useful for the nuclear side of things, and Canada does have a decent air force and whatnot that would make it pretty hard to invade effectively (particularly if our objective is taking particular mines/etc., which they could just hit themselves, Saddam-style).

Canada has 416 Military Aircraft...U.S. has 15,293. ( http://www.globalfirepower.com/count...th-america.asp ) The air war is over in a matter of hours. As far as Canada being large, it would not be relevant as most anything militarily valuable in Canada is in a much, much smaller area. Canada would be reduced to guerilla warfare within days.

[PLATO]

The Canadian Army is very small, but very good.

It the book the Canucks correctly guessed that the US would lead with air landings at major airports. They surrounded the air strips in Toronto with anti-aircraft and other missile crews along with the Canadian, British, and French airbourne. They waited until the airlanding had many planes on the ground then blew a couple up and ordered the others to park and not unload. The Canadians then held the Hercs loaded with marines and special forces hostage until the US backed off. A couple aircraft that opened doors were blasted.

It was far fetched, but it was the 70s when the quality of US soldier and leadership was somewhat in question.

U.S. air assets would accompany any invading force and absolutely wipe out the threats you are detailing in short order. It is also unlikely that the missile and AA batteries would be undetected well before troop planes were in harms way.

[Wezil]

Canada has 416 Military Aircraft...

<100 that would be any threat.

[notyoueither]

U.S. air assets would accompany any invading force and absolutely wipe out the threats you are detailing in short order. It is also unlikely that the missile and AA batteries would be undetected well before troop planes were in harms way.

IIRC, the US was trying a surprise seizure of important facilities before any demolitions could be done. An air campaign in advance of air landings was not part of their plan.

I didn't say it was a highly plausible plot, but keep in mind it was written in the shadow of the US military having it's nose tweeked by a third-world communist twirp. It was not that far-fetched in that context.

[notyoueither]

Today's USAF would obliterate anything militarily important in Canada within about 30 minutes. Keep in mind this was ~1970.

[PLATO]

Keep in mind this was ~1970.

Good point, but I still don't think you try to land large amounts of troops without air cover...even in 1970.

[PLATO]

I didn't say it was a highly plausible plot, but keep in mind it was written in the shadow of the US military having it's nose tweeked by a third-world communist twirp. It was not that far-fetched in that context.

Yes...I remember those days very well. I still remember Jimmy Carter getting on TV and telling us we had to get used to the fact that USSR was more powerful than us.

[notyoueither]

Good point, but I still don't think you try to land large amounts of troops without air cover...even in 1970.

It'd been done before.

[Ming]

There was one where China goes whole hog expansionist and tries to invade all of Asia while claiming the disputed Islands and another one where they try to invade Taiwan and end up fighting the US. Or rather they fight the US in both. There are three if you count the China launches a cyber war on everyone book.

It's actually his latest book (Well, written by Mark Greaney who is actually a very good writer on his own) It's called Threat Vector. It was released last year.

[Ming]

There was one where China goes whole hog expansionist and tries to invade all of Asia while claiming the disputed Islands and another one where they try to invade Taiwan and end up fighting the US. Or rather they fight the US in both. There are three if you count the China launches a cyber war on everyone book.

It's actually his latest book (Well, written by Mark Greaney who is actually a very good writer on his own) It's called Threat Vector. It was released last year.

[PLATO]

Japan ups the ante:

(CNN) -- Japan on Tuesday unveiled its largest warship since World War II, an 820-foot-long, 19,500-ton flattop capable of carrying 14 helicopters, according to media reports.

The ship, named the Izumo, is classified as a helicopter destroyer, though its flattop design makes it look like an aircraft carrier.

But the Japanese Defense Ministry says the ship is not intended to be used as an aircraft carrier and will not be used to launch fighter jets, state broadcaster NHK reported.

The launch of the $1.2 billion warship at a Yokohama dockyard comes at a time of increased military tensions between Japan and China over disputed islands in the East China Sea.

"The destroyer is aimed at better responding to various contingencies in waters near Japan," NHK reported.

China on Tuesday warned Japan against any moves of military expansion, according to a report from Global Times.

"We are concerned over Japan's constant expansion of its military equipment. Japan's Asian neighbors and the international community need to be highly vigilant about this trend," the Global Times quoted the Chinese Defense Ministry as saying. "Japan should learn from history, adhere to its policy of self-defense and abide by its promise to take the road of peaceful development."

Both China and Japan claim sovereignty over the rocky, uninhabited islands between Okinawa and Taiwan, which are near important shipping lanes, rich fishing grounds and possible mineral deposits. They are known as Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

Last year, the Japanese government bought several of the islands from a private owner, angering Chinese authorities and provoking a spate of sometimes violent anti-Japanese demonstrations in many Chinese cities.

Chinese government ships have continued to frequently sail near the islands, engaging in maritime games of cat and mouse with Japanese coast guard vessels. Chinese planes have also flown through the area, prompting Japan to scramble fighter jets.

Tuesday's launch also came on the 68th anniversary of the atomic bomb attack on Hiroshima.

Upwards of 60,000 people -- according to various estimates, about one-fifth of Hiroshima's population at the time -- were killed when a U.S. B-29 bomber dropped the bomb on August 6, 1945,

In remembrance ceremonies in Hiroshima on Tuesday, a list of 286,000 atomic bomb victims was presented, NHK reported. In a speech, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe called on the Japanese people to always remind the world about the consequences of nuclear war, NHK reported.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/06/world/asia/japan-new-warship/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Looks like a really good platform for the F-35B STOVL.

[Colonâ„¢]

Sounds cool, though calling it a chopper destroyer would sound even cooler