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    Tariff and secession caused Civil War, not slavery


    July 14, 2013


    Reporter Arthur Hirsch's article on the recent article on the re-enactment at the 150th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg included a familiar Civil War anecdote about a Confederate soldier who had been captured at Fort Donelson ("A defining day relived," July 2). Responding to a question from his Union captors, he famously answered, "We're fighting because y'all are down here." As a source of empirical evidence, this tale invites profoundly misleading interpretation: There is a duty to disclose the message actually intended by a Rebel who spoke his answer fully seven months before Lincoln issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation.

    The Civil War came because Southern states seceded. However, with 15 slave states by 1860, President Abraham Lincoln and the slaveholders had well known that a Constitutional Amendment ending slavery would never be feasible. It was accordingly obvious that Southerners opted for secession as the remedy for a different grievance altogether — egregiously inequitable effects of a U.S. protective tariff that generated 90 percent of federal revenue. Foreign governments retaliated for it with tariffs of their own, and payment of those overseas levies represented the cost to all Americans of their U.S. government, or 90 percent of that cost.

    Southerners generated two-thirds of America's exports and also bore two-thirds of those retaliatory tariffs abroad. In other words, the Old South carried 60 percent of a federal load resulting directly from levy of protective tariffs on imported foreign goods. The 18.5 percent of U.S. citizens who resided in the Old South bore a share of federal government cost that was three times their proportionate obligation.

    Southerners could not hope for relief from the retaliatory tariffs overseas unless their trading partners could be relieved of the onerous federal tariff levied throughout the U.S. Offered the Old South by President Lincoln was nothing by way of fiscal reform at all. And so, that Fort Donelson captive only paraphrased Confederate leadership — a leadership determined to throw off a U.S. government that, if allowed to remain "down here," would forever impose economic subservience upon Southerners who consequently had no honorable alternative to secession.

    Dennis G. Saunders, Columbia


    I mean...really? Everbody knows it was just those racist Southerners trying to keep slaves in the field, right?
    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

  • #2
    Of course.
    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PLATO View Post
      http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...ariffs-slavery

      I mean...really? Everbody knows it was just those racist Southerners trying to keep slaves in the field, right?
      What? you think all southerners had one or two slaves in each household?

      Stupid.

      In 1850 the average slave cost around 1500 dollars each plus cost of feeding and housing.
      Think! Would a slave holder really mistreat there investment?
      Inflation is calculated as ten dollars to one dollar today.
      Last edited by Docfeelgood; July 15, 2013, 11:30.

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      • #4
        Most americans don't own an oil well either yet your nation goes to war for oil...
        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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        • #5
          I think Lincoln was very smart and used tariffs as a means to provoke the South into seceding. Sure, it was about slavery. It was the elephant in the room going back to 1776. But nobody was going to fight on behalf of the slaves. The South needed to be backed into a corner until they fired the first shot... just like Japan before Pearl Harbor.

          Having said that, it's pretty ****ing stupid to pretend the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #6
            I don't think there is any significant evidence that Lincoln actually wanted the South to secede. Was aware they likely would, yes, but didn't personally want it to happen.
            <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
            I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sava View Post
              I think Lincoln was very smart and used tariffs as a means to provoke the South into seceding. Sure, it was about slavery. It was the elephant in the room going back to 1776. But nobody was going to fight on behalf of the slaves. The South needed to be backed into a corner until they fired the first shot... just like Japan before Pearl Harbor.

              Having said that, it's pretty ****ing stupid to pretend the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
              So...you are saying that Lincoln WANTED to start a war that killed millions? Oh, that's right...he was a Republican. Steny, Nancy, and Barry have got you right where they want.
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • #8
                That looks more like a letter to the newspaper than an editorial. I think the Sun just figured that trolling was a good way to generate ad revenue.
                John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                • #9
                  And I think that Sava is trolling y'all. South Carolina seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in.
                  John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, that's what it is. You can tell by the
                    Dennis G. Saunders, Columbia
                    at the bottom.
                    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
                      What? you think all southerners had one or two slaves in each household?

                      Stupid.

                      In 1850 the average slave cost around 1500 dollars each plus cost of feeding and housing.
                      Think! Would a slave holder really mistreat there investment?
                      Inflation is calculated as ten dollars to one dollar today.
                      Gawd, but you are derm.

                      The trader's establishment consisted of an office, a large show-room and a yard in the rear enclosed with a wall of brick fifteen feet high. The principal men of the establishment were the proprietor and the foreman. When slaves were to be exhibited for sale, the foreman was called to the office by means of a bell, and an order given him to bring into the show-room work of but a few minutes, and the women were placed in a row on one side of the room and the men on the other. Persons desirous of purchasing them passed up and down between the lines looking the poor creatures over, and questioning them in about the following manner: "What can you do?" "Are you a good cook? seamstress? dairymaid?" - this to the women, while the men would be questioned as to their line of work: "Can you plow? Are you a blacksmith? Have you ever cared for horses? Can


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                      you pick cotton rapidly?" Sometimes the slave would be required to open his mouth that the purchaser might examine the teeth and form some opinion as to his age and physical soundness; and if it was suspected that a slave had been beaten a good deal he would be required to step into another room and undress. If the person desiring to buy found the slave badly scarred by the common usage of whipping, he would say at once to the foreman: "Why! this slave is not worth much, he is all scarred up. No, I don't want him; bring me in another to look at." Slaves without scars from whipping and looking well physisally always sold readily. They were never left long in the yard. It was expected that all the slaves in the yard for sale would be neatly dressed and clean before being brought into the show-room. It was the foreman's business to see that each one was presentable.


                      SLAVE WHIPPING AS A BUSINESS.
                      Whipping was done at these markets, or trader's yards, all the time. People who lived in the city of Richmond would send their slaves here for punishment. When any one wanted a slave whipped he would send a note to that effect with the servant to the trader. Any petty offense on the part of a slave


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                      was sufficient to subject the offender to this brutal treatment. Owners who affected culture and refinement preferred to send a servant to the yard for punishment to inflicting it themselves. It saved them trouble, they said, and possibly a slight wear and tear of feeling. For this service the owner was charged a certain sum for each slave, and the earnings of the traders from this source formed a very large part of the profits of his business. The yard I was in had a regular whipping post to which they tied the slave, and gave him "nine-and-thirty," as it was called, meaning thirty-nine lashes as hard as they could lay it on. Men were stripped of their shirts in preparation for the whipping, and women had to take off their dresses from the shoulders to the waist. These whippings were not so severe as when the slaves were stripped entirely of their clothes, as was generally the case on the plantations where slaves were owned by the dozen. I saw many cases of whipping while I was in the yard. Sometimes I was so frightened that I trembled violently, for I had never seen anything like it before.
                      Thirty years a slave : from bondage to freedom : the institution of slavery as seen on the plantation and in the home of the planter, by Louis Hughes, b. 1832


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                      I know, probably self-inflicted, or they have big fleas over there where you are.
                      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                      • #12


                        I don't condone slavery but I'm not stupid enough to be getting my facts from a book that was written as anti-slave propaganda.

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, don't let facts get in the way of a good story...
                          "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                          • #14
                            ...anti-slave propaganda?
                            No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post


                              I don't condone slavery but I'm not stupid enough to be getting my facts from a book that was written as anti-slave propaganda.
                              Totally unexpected response!!!

                              I mean, how could anyone be against such a benign state or condition ? I'm really looking forward to developing keloid scars of my own, and possibly to enjoying a good old-fashioned hobbling.


                              Sometimes I think you're a liberal posting under a pseudonym to make fun of how they perceive Deep South red neck crackers. But mostly I think you're a horse's arse.
                              Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                              ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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