Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.

[notyoueither]

Boston was not shut down. People were advised to stay indoors but nothing happened to them, in a legal sense, if they didn't.

Were trains and planes leaving?

[Wezil]

It's not as if the actions on the part of law enforcement were unpopular. Did you see the crowds cheering after they got the second guy alive?

Of course not which (along with your argument here) proves my point. You surrendered your rights, the State didn't take them.

Any more basic liberties you want to forfeit so you can have "a day off work"?

And big deal "two criminals". They had bombs capable of inflicting a lot of damage on soft targets. Dozens more people could have been killed.


How many deaths is the benchmark, in your mind, for law enforcement to take such action?

The guys robbing the local bank may be AQ members seeking cash for further missions or it just might be two guys in ski masks. How be you stay home whenever there is a crime happening from now on? It will make it easier for everyone.

There was no downside. Absolutely none. Nobody had their freedom oppressed. Nobody was locked up for being gay or Jewish or slavic or whatever.

Aside from lack of freedom, no down side.

And a whole lotta people got a few days of vacation.

Only idiots and conspiracy dildos think the response was wrong.

You are the frog in the water. You can't even tell when the temperature is rising. Sad.

[Felch]

That hardly implies a police state. Especially considering the hefty payout they received. But I guess we're at the point where we just cherry pick articles to "prove" our points. How Dinodockian.

I never said anything about a police state. I simply showed that police do sometimes shoot innocent people when tensions are running high. But if your ego can't handle the slightest bruising, then I won't bring up the David Perdue shooting.

Also bear in mind that the officers involved in the Torrence shooting were never charged with any sort of crime, even though the vehicle they shot at was a different make and color than the vehicle they were supposed to be looking for. Even egregious negligence on the part of LEOs is not enough to get anything more than a slap on the wrist. If normal people do it, it's a crime. If cops do it, then they're just under a lot of stress. That's the genesis of a police state. It's not full blown yet, but your sort of complacency won't help.

[Sava]

You surrendered your rights, the State didn't take them.

Can you be specific? What "rights" did I surrender and when?

Because you sound kind of like a loon.

And don't get me wrong. I'm all about tinfoil hattery.

There certainly needs to be more discussion about accountability and oversight within government. New technology is being embraced faster than procedures are being implemented to govern its use.

I guess I would be more concerned if there were actual rights being taken away. I see progress on social issues almost daily. Gay marriage, for one. Marijuana is slowly being decriminalized and legalized. I can still go out and buy an assault rifle if I wanted. Heck, I can drive a couple hours to Indiana and buy a .50 caliber sniper rifle.

So yeah, I guess my freedom to run around with pressure cooker bombs is being infringed upon. But other than that, you just sound like one of these tea party dip****s.

wah wah obama is stealing our freedoms

Let me know when you have an example of my freedoms being taken away. Something real... instead of just idiotic paranoia.

[Wezil]

Can you be specific? What "rights" did I surrender and when?

Because you sound kind of like a loon.

And don't get me wrong. I'm all about tinfoil hattery.

There certainly needs to be more discussion about accountability and oversight within government. New technology is being embraced faster than procedures are being implemented to govern its use.

I guess I would be more concerned if there were actual rights being taken away. I see progress on social issues almost daily. Gay marriage, for one. Marijuana is slowly being decriminalized and legalized. I can still go out and buy an assault rifle if I wanted. Heck, I can drive a couple hours to Indiana and buy a .50 caliber sniper rifle.

So yeah, I guess my freedom to run around with pressure cooker bombs is being infringed upon. But other than that, you just sound like one of these tea party dip****s.

wah wah obama is stealing our freedoms

Let me know when you have an example of my freedoms being taken away. Something real... instead of just idiotic paranoia.

Whoosh!

Scream "FASCISM" at me some more. It really helped your argument.

[Sava]

Whoosh!

Scream "FACISM" at me some more. It really helped your argument.

What argument? I don't have or need an argument.

You claim freedoms are being surrendered. I asked for a specific example. You provide none.

This is just me making fun of a crazy homeless person.

[Wezil]

I already provided a city-wide example. Not specific enough for you or too hard to grasp?

[Wezil]

This is just me being a crazy homeless person.

Fixed.

[Sava]

I already provided a city-wide example. Not specific enough for you or too hard to grasp?

Oh. So there are new laws now preventing people in Boston from leaving their homes?

So there are people who didn't stay indoors who are being prosecuted?

You have no argument. You have no examples.

I really hope you are just bored and trolling.

[kentonio]

Oh nice, Icelandic student who was a WikiLeaks chat mod for 2 months finds the US made Google give them access to everything on his gmail account including all emails, photos, email addresses, calendar and deleted and draft emails.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...#disqus_thread

[Wezil]

Oh. So there are new laws now preventing people in Boston from leaving their homes?

So there are people who didn't stay indoors who are being prosecuted?

You have no argument. You have no examples.

I really hope you are just bored and trolling.

Did I not mention the voluntary nature of it? Did you somehow miss that?

I'm not bored (yet) or trolling but if you think I am then simply walk away. You don't need to continue embarrassing yourself here. There are other posters you can occupy yourself with for the rest of the day.

[Sava]

Oh nice, Icelandic student who was a WikiLeaks chat mod for 2 months finds the US made Google give them access to everything on his gmail account including all emails, photos, email addresses, calendar and deleted and draft emails.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...#disqus_thread

The "freedom" to reveal classified US military intelligence is under attack, I guess.

Personally, I think the leaks and stuff are more helpful than not. The prosecution of Manning, for instance, strikes me as an abuse of power.

But this isn't anything new. If anything, the fact we are discussing this stuff now is a sign of progress. During WWI, you could be locked up for being anti-war. In the 50's, you could be labeled a communist.

If anything, things are improving, not getting worse.

And many of the same people decrying the big bad government are the ones who ***** about the commies and how evil they are... and support a political movement who wants to return the country to a time when women couldn't vote and black people were property.

It's a combination of mental illness (tinfoil hat nonsense) and partisan bull****.

The chicken little crap also makes it difficult for us to focus on the real issues here. It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion on the serious issues of accountability and oversight with all the ridiculous hyperbole.

[Sava]

Did I not mention the voluntary nature of it? Did you somehow miss that?

That's the thing. I guess I have to Godwin for perspective.

The Nazis didnt ask anyone to surrender anything. And they didn't give the "all clear" in less than a week.

So stop being an idiot.

[Wezil]

You made the Fascism claim, not me.

I joined this conversation by saying it isn't really Big Brother but is more a case of the reverse (people giving, not the State taking).

Absolutely nothing you have argued refutes that.

[DaShi]

I never said anything about a police state. I simply showed that police do sometimes shoot innocent people when tensions are running high. But if your ego can't handle the slightest bruising, then I won't bring up the David Perdue shooting.

You knew full well that the discussion was about police states. Your post had nothing do with public service announcement ("accidents happen, who knew?") or you wouldn't have added, "trigger happy cops a slap on the wrist as punishment." If you want people to show you respect, you had better try offering the same yourself.