Republican efforts to destroy science continue apace..

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Well done for not being the first person in the thread to say that, and for not bothering to read/respond to the posts that already talked about why this is a bad idea.

Thread's too long, didn't bother reading

Congress now isn't part of the federal bureaucracy?

Um, duh? Never has been. It's the legislature.

This would be based on your many decades of experience inside the department of labor and various other federal departments I take it?

It is from personal experience, although not spanning decades. It only takes a quick glance to see that something has gone horribly wrong inside several departments. It's not the people the president appoints, it's the career people.

[kentonio]

Um, duh? Never has been. It's the legislature.

I think you need to go away and relearn what the words federal and bureaucracy mean.

It is from personal experience, although not spanning decades. It only takes a quick glance to see that something has gone horribly wrong inside several departments. It's not the people the president appoints, it's the career people.

So a 'quick glance' is enough to tell you that completely destroying and rebuilding the federal government is more efficient than say.. fixing it?

[Sava]

Republicans don't want to rebuild anything. They just want to destroy the government. If reg were saying these things from a cave in Yemen, we'd drop a missile on him.

[Hauldren Collider]

So a 'quick glance' is enough to tell you that completely destroying and rebuilding the federal government is more efficient than say.. fixing it?

That is fixing it.

[Hauldren Collider]

I think you need to go away and relearn what the words federal and bureaucracy mean.

No. This isn't the UK where the upper level executive consists of members of Parliament. Congress passes laws, it has nothing to do with the execution of those laws in any way.

[Sava]

No. This isn't the UK where the upper level executive consists of members of Parliament. Congress passes laws, it has nothing to do with the execution of those laws in any way.

I would imagine congressional oversight has something to do with the execution of laws. But then again, I passed American Government when I was in school.

[kentonio]

No. This isn't the UK where the upper level executive consists of members of Parliament. Congress passes laws, it has nothing to do with the execution of those laws in any way.

Please specify whether it's the word Federal or the word Bureaucracy that you are taking issue with. I'm definitely going to get the chance to laugh at you, but I want to be sure I'm laughing at you exactly the right thing.

[kentonio]

That is fixing it.

It's quite telling that the same people who whine about fiscal responsibility seem perfectly willing to propose ideas that would be wildly wasteful or destructive in practice.

[dannubis]

... but not to them.

[DinoDoc]

Please specify whether it's the word Federal or the word Bureaucracy that you are taking issue with. I'm definitely going to get the chance to laugh at you, but I want to be sure I'm laughing at you exactly the right thing.

A bureaucracy is a group of non-elected officials within a government or other institution that implements the rules, laws, ideas, and functions of their institution. By definition Congress isn't part of it.

[Sava]

A bureaucracy is a group of non-elected officials within a government or other institution that implements the rules, laws, ideas, and functions of their institution. By definition Congress isn't part of it.

You should read all definitions of a term, not just what Wikipedia says.

from merriam webster

an administrative policy-making group

and

government characterized by specialization of functions, adherence to fixed rules, and a hierarchy of authority

Elected/unelected doesn't matter. Congress is a bureaucracy. Also, any organization can be a bureaucracy. It doesn't have to be a government entity.

[kentonio]

Bingo.

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The federal bureaucracy in the United States is exactly what DinoDoc said, the unelected officials responsible for creating regulations and enforcing the laws of the country. If you want to use some more international and broad definition of bureaucracy that's introducing a fallacy of equivocation. I was talking about the specific American definition.

And for your information, if it matters so much to you, I got a 5 (out of 5) on the AP US Government exam (and this was one of the MAJOR topics on the exam).

[giblets]

A bureaucracy is a group of non-elected officials within a government or other institution that implements the rules, laws, ideas, and functions of their institution.[1][2]

1. ^ Wilson, Woodrow (1887). "The Study of Administration". Political Science Quarterly 2 (2): 197–222. doi:10.2307/2139277. JSTOR 2139277.
2. ^ Bureaucracy @ Merriam-Webster.com - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bureaucracy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy

Will you ***** please do me a favor and kill yourselves?

[kentonio]

Will you retards learn what words actually mean please, and stop pretending you can just pick a single definition off wikipedia.

Seriously, English is supposed to be your first language, by now you should actually be able to use it effectively.