Explosions at Boston Marathon

[DinoDoc]

That doesn't really answer the question though.

This keeps getting more amusing: At least one Tsarnaev pal arrested today appears to have been here illegally

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I think you have that completely backwards. Being in risk of your life makes you more likely to think of your own safety first, and in a firefight that means anybody who is not known becomes a target.

Moreover I was actually thinking of the atrocities that become more prevalent than otherwise reported when one sees their buddies being ambushed and killed. The tip of the ice berg for things such as Falujah and Mai Lai massacres where soldiers regretably act in criminal fashion as a result.

The ice cold calculation to use a drone to an extent removes the emotion from the equation.

[Dauphin]

I wouldn't disagree.

[DaShi]

This keeps getting more amusing: At least one Tsarnaev pal arrested today appears to have been here illegally

GOTCHA!

[DinoDoc]

GOTCHA!

[DaShi]

I expect thanks from you for these posts!

[Sava]

That doesn't really answer the question though.

The question is irrelevant. Illegal immigrants don't receive welfare.

[Docfeelgood]

Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare

Surprise, surprise; Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%).The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid).Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship. On the other hand, legal immigrant households take advantage of every available welfare program, according to the study, which attributes it to low education level and resulting low income.The highest rate of welfare recipients come from the Dominican Republic (82 %), Mexico and Guatemala (75%) and Ecuador (70%), according to the report, which says welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents.

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...llect-welfare/

[Aeson]

Not really those are the most volatile jobs.

You can just about always find a low-skilled job to fill. Finding a white collar job is much more difficult in downturns.

You have to go very "high" in specialization before that changes. (We already let in essentially all the people who qualify for those jobs.)

But more importantly ... By increasing immigration, we increase (low income) population. (Remember, we're already letting most, if not all, the very highly trained people into the country that want to come.) That directly increases demand for lower-skilled, lower-paying jobs in food production, housing, and other "necessities". It does not directly increase demand for higher-skilled labor producing high value goods and services. Eventually those immigrants can work their way up the ladder to start increasing demand for higher value goods and services, but that takes time. Time in which they can gain education and qualifications so they can start to fill those jobs too.

[Jon Miller]

It isn't true that we allow most of the high skill people into the country who want to come.

JM

[Jon Miller]

It isn't true that we allow most of the high skill people into the country who want to come.

JM

[Aeson]

It isn't true that we allow most of the high skill people into the country who want to come.

Businesses can sponsor people for work visas, and outside of the person having some sort of criminal background (or other risk factor) it's essentially a sure thing if the business will foot the bill.

The people who wouldn't fit into this are people who, while highly trained, are trained in areas (or only willing to work in areas) with no economic interest.

[Jon Miller]

Some years the high skill visas ran out in ~2 days.

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/04/03/high-skilled-visas-run-out-faster-than-justin-bieber-tickets/

JM

[Jon Miller]

http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/06/high-skilled-visa-quota/

JM

[Aeson]

From those charts you can see that it probably only takes a few years for most desired (by US business) bachelor+ education work-visa to be filled. Some years almost everyone on the waiting list gets in. Add in the post-grad students and it's a pretty sure thing that if you're even moderately high-skilled in an area which is of interest to US business, you'll be getting into the US in relatively short order. (Relatively short order compared to other potential avenues of immigration. The only faster/surer way is through engagement/marriage to a US citizen.)

Also, I'll point out that chart isn't actually specifically about the group of people I was talking about. Bachelor degrees are very common and not necessarily in demand. Even post-grad isn't necessarily mean you're highly skilled enough to find the job you want more easily than a person can find a manual labor job. (Which was the qualification of this line of discussion.)