NR-tarded

[Sava]

How is the GOP responsible for Obama not making enforcement of existing gun laws an issue at any point at all in his term of office? Do I need to use smaller words before you are able to understand the question?

I'm not sure I understand the point of your question. You are probably aware of the role the GOP has played in obstructing the ATF. So I don't suspect I need to go off on that tangent. Are you saying Obama is responsible for GOP congressional efforts from the mid to late 90's onwards?

You should think of better questions if you want to not be such a poster-boy for the "THANKS OBAMA" meme.

[Sava]

better hope not. One party government is a recipe for disaster

I agree. That's why I want you guys to stop being so retarded.

[Sava]

the liberal bandwagon

Ha! If they have their way, a future Supreme Court stacked with liberal judges (appointed by decades of Dem Presidents coasting to victory) is going to redefine the 2nd Amendment so that only military and police will be able to have guns.

Personally, I'd rather have conservatives be part of the process. I'm of the "have our cake and eat it too" mentality. I don't even think so called "assault weapons" need to be banned. Existing laws can work if the GOP lets the federal government do it's job. Actively enforcing gun trafficking laws is the solution. A large number of illegal weapons come from 1% of all gun dealers. If you don't get the bad apples, the whole bunch will spoil and get thrown out.

But hey, continue to marginalize yourself by lumping people like me in with the Rachel Maddows of the world. You are going to win a lot of elections the more you exclude people.

[DinoDoc]

I'm not sure I understand the point of your question.

The point is that the Administration had the time and a potential willing ally in the form of the NRA if they wanted to make a serious stab at using existing laws to curb gun crime. FFS when have you seen Obama campaign for Congress to adequately fund the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007? Why does the Justice Department prosecute only a miniscule number of people who outright lie on their background check information? Why is it up to the NRA to champion programs like Project Exile, which prosecuted serious local gun crimes committed by felons under federal law, putting repeat offenders in federal prisons far away from their communities?

[Sava]

The point is that the Administration had [...] a potential willing ally in the form of the NRA

oh you...

[DinoDoc]

Given that the NRA is on record and has been for over a decade asking the government to adequately enforce existing gun laws before creating new ones, you'll have to be alittle more specific if you want to be understood as I don't speak drug addled.

[Sava]

Given that the NRA is on record and has been for over a decade asking the government to adequately enforce existing gun laws before creating new ones, you'll have to be alittle more specific if you want to be understood as I don't speak drug addled.

It's easy to say one thing in public while actively working against it in reality.

Sometimes it's hard to know when you are trolling and when you believe what you say.

[DinoDoc]

It's easy to say one thing in public while actively working against it in reality.

Citation needed.

[Sava]

Citation needed.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-16-2013/there-goes-the-boom---atf

[BlackCat]

I'm not sure I understand the point of your question. You are probably aware of the role the GOP has played in obstructing the ATF. So I don't suspect I need to go off on that tangent. Are you saying Obama is responsible for GOP congressional efforts from the mid to late 90's onwards?

You should think of better questions if you want to not be such a poster-boy for the "THANKS OBAMA" meme.

It seems like Obama are going to annoy both GOP and NRA a bit :

President Obama's demand Wednesday for research into gun violence could usher in a flood of data on the nation's 32,000 annual gun deaths after decades of an information blackout.

Scientists and policy makers say they have little scientific data about gun violence after Congress prohibited federal agencies, such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH), from offering research grants to study anything that could be used to promote gun control.

If Americans knew more about gun violence, they would take steps to end it, says Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

"That's the last thing the Washington gun lobby wants," Glaze said. "To produce good public policy, you need good data. The gun lobby has been working overtime to blindfold public policy makers for a generation."

Federal health agencies feared Congress would pull their funding if their research offended the gun lobby, Glaze said. Obama's order eases that fear, Glaze said.

"I think you'll see the research dollars flowing again," he said.

More than 100 research scientists noted in a letter to Vice President Biden that since 1973, the NIH has awarded three research grants to study more than 4 million gun injuries while awarding 212 grants to study cholera and 129 grants to study polio. Both illnesses have been nearly eradicated in the United States.

Without federal support for research, the scientists wrote in the Jan. 10 letter from the University of Chicago Crime Lab, the nation will not have the information it needs to tackle "one of the most pressing public health problems we currently face."

The executive order signed Wednesday directs the CDC and other federal agencies to research the "causes and prevention of gun violence." The White House says such research is not prohibited by the laws. Obama called gun deaths "a public health crisis" that warrants epidemiological research.

Obama called on Congress to allocate $10 million for additional research, including investigating the relationship between violence and violent images in video games and other media, and $20 million to expand the National Violent Death Reporting System to all 50 states. The database of homicides and other violent deaths now collects data from 18 states.

The end of federal research into gun violence came in 1996 when Congress first passed a National Rifle Association-backed amendment to a CDC appropriations bill that prohibited spending federal dollars on research that could be used to "advocate or promote gun control." The bill cut $2.6 million from the CDC's National Center for Injury and Control.

Research into gun violence dropped steadily. In 2012, the CDC spent $100,000 of its $5.6 billion budget on gun injury research, a report from Mayors Against Illegal Guns said.

The National Rifle Association did not respond to a request for comment on the research order. In a written statement, the gun rights group said it would focus on securing schools, fixing the nation's mental health system and prosecuting violent criminals.

"Attacking firearms and ignoring children is not a solution to the crisis we face as a nation," the NRA said.

More restrictions on data came in 2003 when Congress passed legislation sponsored by Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., that barred the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) from using an electronic database to record gun sales.

Laws that prohibit the agency from keeping an electronic database of gun sales also slow agents' ability to trace guns used in crime, said retired ATF supervisory special agent Mark Jones, now a senior law enforcement adviser for the University of Chicago Crime Lab.

"You've got ATF with extremely limited resources being forced to maintain a paper and pencil system so it has to spend its limited resources are tracing firearms," Jones said. "It's anachronistic."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/16/obama-gun-research-violence/1840367/

[Sava]

It seems like Obama are going to annoy both GOP and NRA a bit :

Yup. The NRA also worked hard to put language in that prevents the CDC from researching gun violence.

Oh, but they just want existing laws enforced!

What a joke. And DD knows better. I bet his next post is going to be attacking Jon Stewart since he can't respond to TDS's fully cited argument.

[DinoDoc]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...the-boom---atf

How does this prevent federal agencies from enforcing the law?

[The] Tiahrt Amendment [...] prohibits the National Tracing Center of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Ti...ahrt_Amendment

[Sava]

How does this prevent federal agencies from enforcing the law?

Is this going to be your new strategy? Cherry picking single items from a comprehensive list?

[DaShi]

It's what Ben does.

[DinoDoc]

Is this going to be your new strategy? Cherry picking single items from a comprehensive list?

It was the only specific thing mentioned that I could check. Perhaps you could explain why the Obama Admin didn't make correcting the inventory collection data an issue and still hasn't.