Been to Walmart lately?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Just like Imran, he's basing his decision principally on the Articles of Confederation, a document which is no longer in effect.

So you aren't into original intent?

[Felch]

I'm prefer reading the rules as written to divining the intent. Of course, given what these founding fathers were up to ten years earlier, it's silly to believe that they were morally opposed to secession.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Who decides what is constitutional? Would that be the Supreme Court? The same Supreme Court that ruled in Texas vs White that states do not have a right to unilaterally secede? Gosh, it must suck not knowing how your own country works.

Of course, that was done after the war, with a Supreme Court packed from the victor's side. Chase, was biggest hack CJ ever (he "earned" the job by how much money he made for the Yankee war effort, in part by selling permits to trade with the enemy, plus he was put there so Lincoln could placate radical Republicans prior to his reelection. He wrote an essay, not a legal opinion (oh, the wording is as rich as the scholarship is poor) and its not like the Court was going to say, after the fact, "oh, guess you boys was right afterall, and we're wrong, so here you go."

[MichaeltheGreat]

So you aren't into original intent?

Not when it's only demonstrated by a document which was terminated as unworkable.

In fact, you could very easily use the argument the other way - the fact that "perpetuity" was used in the Articles of Confederation, but not in the Constitution, as evidence that the framers of the Constitution did not consider the state-federal bond perpetual and irrevocable.

[MichaeltheGreat]

So, a union made more perfect. Seems fairly clear you can't leave.

Fixed. Greater perfection is achieved by voluntary association, not bonds of servitude to the crown, er, um, federal government.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Or that the use of the term "a more perfect union" presupposed a perpetual union, which was now to be perfected.

[DinoDoc]

I think you're reading what you want to there.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Likewise.

[Alexander's Horse]

I bought my nintendo wii at walmart

Do you know where your avatar got her panties?

[Felch]

Likewise.

We're reading the Constitution. You're reading something else.

[Alexander's Horse]

Imran always had a weak constitution

[kentonio]

Of course, that was done after the war, with a Supreme Court packed from the victor's side.

After the union kicked the crap out of the southern traitors the court affirmed that treason is not permissible constitutionally. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[Felch]

Which of the CSA leaders were ever convicted of treason?

[Sava]

Do you know where your avatar got her panties?

probably target
she only used to get fancy stuff at victoria's secret

[kentonio]

Which of the CSA leaders were ever convicted of treason?

I'm sure Davis was just charged with treason and kept locked up for two years for nothing more than a laugh.