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    GAO Report: Obamacare Adds $6.2 Trillion to Long-Term Deficit



    Obamacare will increase the long-term federal deficit by $6.2 trillion, according to a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report released today.

    Senator Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.), who requested the report, revealed the findings this morning at a Senate Budget Committee hearing. The report, he said, “confirms everything critics and Republicans were saying about the faults of this bill,” and “dramatically proves that the promises made assuring the nation that the largest new entitlement program in history would not add one dime to the deficit were false.”

    President Obama and other Democrats attempted to win support for the health-care bill by touting it as a fiscally responsible enterprise. “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future,” Obama told a joint-session of Congress in September 2009. “I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period.”

    The new report exposes the “lack of honesty” surrounding such claims, Sessions argued. “The big-government crowd in Washington manipulated the numbers in order to get the financial score they wanted, in order to get their bill passed and to increase power and influence,” he said. “The goal was not truth or financial responsibility, but to pass the bill. This is how a country goes broke.”

    The GAO report is essentially the first attempt to isolate and calculate Obamacare’s impact on the deficit beyond the traditional ten-year budget window. GAO ran two simulations “based on broad sets of assumptions about health care spending and other components of federal spending and revenue” over a 75-year period. First, a baseline-extended simulation, which “illustrates the long-term outlook assuming federal laws (applicable at the time the simulation was run) remain unchanged,” and second, an alternative simulation, which “illustrates the long-term fiscal outlook assuming historical trends and policy preferences continue.”

    The baseline scenario is far more optimistic, largely because it does not take into account the concerns — expressed by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) Trustees, and Medicare’s chief actuary — about “whether certain cost-containment mechanisms included in PPACA can be sustained over the long term.”

    However, the GAO report concluded that even under these “more optimistic assumptions,” Obamacare’s cost-control provisions “were not sufficient to prevent an unsustainable increase in debt held by the public.”

    The alternative scenario, which incorporates the more realistic “alternative projections” suggested by CBO, the CMS trustees, and the chief Medicare actuary, is even more dire. Under this scenario, the “primary deficit” increases by 0.7 percent of GDP over the 75-year period. The GAO does not put a dollar value on that figure, but Senate Budget Committee staff has calculated, and GAO has confirmed, that it would amount to a $6.2 trillion increase in the federal deficit.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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    • DD... own goal!

      increases by 0.7 percent of GDP over the 75-year period
      Current Debt to GDP is at 95.4%.

      An increase of 0.7% over 75 years is an increase of 0.0093% per year.

      Wow. That guvmint spending is out of control!



      moron
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • Also, the historic high of debt to GDP is 109% (in 1946)... in 75 years, we would need 20 Obamacares just to get the debt situation to post ww2 levels...

        OH THIS SPENDING IS OUTTA CONTROL AHHHHHHH
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          AHHAHAHHAHAHAH

          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • Originally posted by Sava View Post
            Current Debt to GDP is at 95.4%.
            US GDP: $15.676 trillion (2012)
            Current US debt: ~$16.5 trillion

            How do they do math in Sava world?

            An increase of 0.7% over 75 years is an increase of 0.00093% per year.
            This is ontop of the $7 trillion in debt the CBO predicts over the next decade with debt interest payments projected to be greater than the US Defense budget.
            Wow. That guvmint spending is out of control!
            “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future. (Applause.) I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period.” - President Obama
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post

              How do they do math in Sava world?
              Numerous sources have conflicting reports... as most are estimates. Pick the higher one if you want... it only makes the proportional increase that much smaller.

              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • Also, while debt figures are quite large... DURR DAT NUMBER IS BIG... it also includes debt the government owes to itself. The net debt is around 70% of GDP.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                  Numerous sources have conflicting reports... as most are estimates. Pick the higher one if you want... it only makes the proportional increase that much smaller.
                  The US broke through the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling a little over a month ago. The GDP number came from the IMF and the Federal Reserve.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                    The US broke through the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling a little over a month ago. The GDP number came from the IMF and the Federal Reserve.
                    So?

                    That doesn't make you not a moron. It just makes me a lazy ass for not finding the most current estimate.

                    Also, we should work towards getting the debt to GDP ratio into single digits to be among such economic powerhouses as:

                    Afghanistan 8.00
                    Algeria 8.60
                    Azerbaijan 6.00
                    Cameroon 6.50
                    Equatorial Guinea 5.80
                    Estonia 6.10 (HOLY **** A COUNTRY WITH WHITE PEOPLE)
                    Kuwait 7.35
                    Libya 7.80
                    Russia 9.60 (HOLY ****... TWO)
                    Saudi Arabia 7.50
                    Swaziland 9.77


                    Get the picture?

                    dumb****
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • If it makes you feel better DD, I think you just copy and pasted something from some conservative blog or news site and didn't bother to actually think about what it meant. It pains me to say this, but you are smarter than that.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                        Also, we should work towards getting the debt to GDP ratio into ...
                        a sustainable range as the current path we're on is unsustainable and Obamacare is a contributor to that as the GAO report confirms.

                        However, the GAO report concluded that even under these “more optimistic assumptions,” Obamacare’s cost-control provisions “were not sufficient to prevent an unsustainable increase in debt held by the public.”

                        I await the next Ed Schultz impersonation.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                          Obamacare is a contributor
                          about as much as me spitting on the ground contributes to it getting wet out when it rains
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post

                            I await the next Ed Schultz impersonation.
                            If everyone who disagrees with your demonstrably false and idiotic bull**** is a democrat... well, that's probably why the GOP is going extinct.
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                              If everyone who disagrees with your demonstrably false and idiotic bull**** is a democrat... well, that's probably why the GOP is going extinct.
                              Demonstably is the key part of your statement you've yet to back up with anything other than mindless bluster which I will grant you is partially redeemed by your avatar.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                                Demonstably is the key part of your statement you've yet to back up with anything other than mindless bluster which I will grant you is partially redeemed by your avatar.
                                Sure... if you're going to be like BK and ignore the basic facts (which is probably understandable considering they are intermingled with my bluster, as you call it)... well, then I will just pity you instead of thinking of you as a reasonably intelligent person.

                                I'm not even mad at you DD... I'm just disappointed.

                                Thinking Obamacare's 0.0093% yearly increase in % of debt per GDP is some sort of gotcha moment is well... retarrr.... retarrrrrrrr..... *ahem... RETARDED

                                Also, my avatar keeps me off many an ignore list

                                and it's better to look at than Ed Schultz
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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