We Told You So: The New "Obamacare Sux" Thread

[Aeson]

But if you stop and think, however old-fashioned that may seem these days, do you seriously believe that millions more people can be given medical care and vast new bureaucracies created to administer payment for it, with no additional costs?

We could do it and actually lower costs. (Not saying the methods to do so would necessarily be "good", just that it's certainly possible.)

[DinoDoc]

I still don't know if the mandate applies to expats. If I stop posting suddenly in early 2014, it should be safe to thank Obamacare (and perhaps Obamadrones).

If you haven't renounced your citizenship, I fail to see how it wouldn't effect you in someway.

[Hauldren Collider]

It's a piece of **** law, that ended up being a piece of **** because a good law was too difficult to get past conservatives and the power of lobby money. It's still better than no law at all for those people who don't have rich parents to pay all their medical bills if they need.

You seem to forget that at the time the bill was being passed, democrats had massive majorities in the house AND a Senate, which was filibuster-proof in the latter.

It was not Republicans who killed single-payer, it was the American people who killed it. And good ****ing thing too.

It also wasn't lobby money. They had to bribe a ton of senators with army bases and subsidies and **** for their home states to get them to vote for it, and a bunch of those senators lost their jobs anyway.

[kentonio]

You seem to forget that at the time the bill was being passed, democrats had massive majorities in the house AND a Senate, which was filibuster-proof in the latter.

This is largely a fiction. They had an extremely small window where they could be considered in any way 'fillibuster-proof', and the blue dogs basically meant they never were. Democracts can be conservative too unfortunately.

It was not Republicans who killed single-payer, it was the American people who killed it. And good ****ing thing too.

Yeah, it'd be terrible if all Americans has healthcare at a far more affordable rate for everyone.

It also wasn't lobby money. They had to bribe a ton of senators with army bases and subsidies and **** for their home states to get them to vote for it, and a bunch of those senators lost their jobs anyway.

If you don't think insurance company lobbying played any part in one of the biggest handouts to insurance companies ever, then I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you.

[Hauldren Collider]

This is largely a fiction. They had an extremely small window where they could be considered in any way 'fillibuster-proof', and the blue dogs basically meant they never were. Democracts can be conservative too unfortunately.

The window was not small. And the only reason it closed was because Massachusetts, one of the bluest states there is, voted in Scott Brown in response to the Democrat overreach in trying to pass Obamacare.

[kentonio]

The window was not small. And the only reason it closed was because Massachusetts, one of the bluest states there is, voted in Scott Brown in response to the Democrat overreach in trying to pass Obamacare.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennif...b_1929869.html

[Hauldren Collider]

Your argument is that the democratic party was too conservative for Obama. I'm done.

[DinoDoc]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennif...b_1929869.html

Is Free Republic an acceptable source of information now?

[giblets]

Your argument is that the democratic party was too conservative for Obama. I'm done.

Democratic senators from places like Nebraska might be too conservative for Obama.

[The Mad Monk]

It's a piece of **** law, that ended up being a piece of **** because a good law was too difficult to get past conservatives and the power of lobby money. It's still better than no law at all for those people who don't have rich parents to pay all their medical bills if they need.

[Inside Baseball]I dare you to say that within earshot of RIII.[/Inside Baseball]

[regexcellent]

The window was not small. And the only reason it closed was because Massachusetts, one of the bluest states there is, voted in Scott Brown in response to the Democrat overreach in trying to pass Obamacare.

Because god forbid they try actually working with Republicans.

[kentonio]

You actually live on a different planet, don't you.

[Dinner]

R3 doesn't post here.

[The Mad Monk]

True.

[Aeson]

If you haven't renounced your citizenship, I fail to see how it wouldn't effect you in someway.

I have a delusional hope that Obama isn't going to fine me for not buying insurance (or rather, not going on medicaid) that I wouldn't be able to use anyways.