Natural gas fracking delayed in Ohio

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Shouldn't people be able to drop the drugs for a week or whatever to pass the test?

I know many drug users who do such things. If someone can't do so.... does that mean they have a problem?

JM

I think THC stays in the system longer than other screened items as it is retained in fat cells one gets from having the munchies.

[Hauldren Collider]

re: OP



My god I'm dying of laughter.

[MRT144]

Yes, employers who comply with the law regarding requirements for controlled substance monitoring clearly are stupid.

The better the pay the less drug testing there is but I know a ton of people at MS that smoke pot. There is no law requiring drug testing, it's up to the discretion of the company.

[MRT144]

I think THC stays in the system longer than other screened items as it is retained in fat cells one gets from having the munchies.

The metabolites of THC are retained in fat cells because THC and its metabolites are a fat and alcohol soluble compounds, not munchies.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Missed my point/joke. Weed intoduces THC to the body where it gets absorbed into fat cells. Obviously chronic users of weed have behavioral changes that lead to higher body fat concentrations (via muchy runs and general apathy). Fortunately as a gateway drug for heroine you can avoid those unsightly pounds.

[Krill]

2/3 of those points aren't actually true, or rather are at the least debatable.

[MRT144]

Shouldn't people be able to drop the drugs for a week or whatever to pass the test?

I know many drug users who do such things. If someone can't do so.... does that mean they have a problem?

JM

depends on the drug and test.

[Berzerker]

Does driving a car count as operating heavy equipment? Takes faster and better reflexes than pulling levers on something thats barely moving - hell, you gotta be on something to sit on one of those all day. I arm-wrestled a dude who did that for a living, he kicked my ass with either arm. Wasn't even close, it was downright embarrassing. Anyway...

If this is such a problem then I imagine Ohio's highways are littered with wrecks and bodies from all those drugged-out drivers looking for jobs, but why dont they test these people while they're high to see if it matters? They're applying for jobs that require experience, that means they've already been operating machines - if they dont have a history of screw ups and they've been smoking they're safe. It aint the drug, its how the individual reacts to it. Thats why they recommend not operating machinery until you're used to the effect and can deal with it. If I smoked a cig and drove off I'd be worse than a drunk and I know it, and I smoked for 30+ years and quit ~3 years ago. I took a couple puffs about a year after quitting and tried to drive home and I didn't get out of the parking lot before my head was spinning and I was trying to hit the brake.

I know people who smoke and work construction, the testing is usually required for fed (state?) contracts and maybe CDLs, and they'll test you on the spot at bases - owners who aint worried about pot do the minimum required by the customer. I think its a waste of $$$ but I'd love to see stats showing a significant problem, I cant imagine there's many operators out there on drugs (other than booze) so powerful they cant build up a sufficient tolerance to be safe.

[Straybow]

There's no booze test for heavy machinery. As long as people can be sober at work, there's no need to pry into their personal lives.

Yes there is, and not just for heavy machinery. Alcohol above a trivial level in the urine test will cost you a job, just as other drugs. When employed they can send you packing if you are visibly drunk or have alcohol on worksite, or again fail a random or scheduled urine test.

[Straybow]

Does driving a car count as operating heavy equipment? Takes faster and better reflexes than pulling levers on something thats barely moving...

Yes, most jobs that require driving have the same drug screening. While construction machinery may be "barely moving" compared to a car on the freeway, it is more apt to compare it to maneuvering a car in a cramped parking lot.

[Berzerker]

Pot smokers do that all the time, but construction sites are usually wide open. I rarely if ever saw a site comparable to a cramped parking lot and I worked in big cities.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Legalize weed. Seriously, some might like to complain about anti-gay discrimination, but the fact that it's legal (and common) to deny employment because of smoking a harmless herb is grotesque.

I'd really not rather work with someone stoned in any job with significant fire and life safety hazards. That includes heavy equipment operation, thank you. What people do on their own time is their business, but my energy clients contractually enforce drug testing on their contractors and subs, because they don't need the liability for someone who decides to pull a Cheech and Chong on the job ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

[Felch]

Yes there is, and not just for heavy machinery. Alcohol above a trivial level in the urine test will cost you a job, just as other drugs. When employed they can send you packing if you are visibly drunk or have alcohol on worksite, or again fail a random or scheduled urine test.

Someone who drank the night before would still pass. Someone who smoked weed a week earlier would fail.

If you show up to work high, you have a problem. But there's no reason to screw an otherwise qualified applicant because of how he spends his nights and weekends.

[Elok]

[silly optimism]Is it possible that the Ohioan Working Class just have an inordinate fondness for poppyseed bagels?[/SO]

[MichaeltheGreat]

Are you a commie? Now people have a right to be employed wherever they want? If you know a drug test is required, or that the employer has a drug-free policy, you have a choice. Don't do drugs, or don't work there. Real simple.