Are states' rights more important than human lives?

[MrFun]

Why is it your assumption that she should get medical care?

Usually when someone has a serious illness or disease, the person requires medical care.

[kentonio]

Liberals are big on social justice while conservatives want personal justice. If people need to die for their mistakes, it is only just! Should have known better before stuffing their faces, opening their legs, or pulling that trigger.

Yes liberals believe in society because they aren't ridiculous little caveman fantasists. Incidentally conservatives also believe in society, its only stupid little libertarians who pretend not to.

[Al B. Sure!]

So you think every person who has cancer, heart disease, diabetes, stroke, or what have you, should be denied medical care. Would you apply this same barbaric, uncivilized principle to your friends and family?

Should veterans who serve in Iraq or Afghanistan be denied medical care if they get wounded or traumatized for serving, because it was their own choice?

I'm trolling, fool. There's a gist of truth in it and liberal policies certainly seem stemmed in externalizing personal responsibility but it's obvious hyperbole.

[KrazyHorse]

How is that a relevant comparison? The choice to join the military our made with the promise of medical care. It is part of the quid pro quo.

[MrFun]

I'm trolling, fool. There's a gist of truth in it and liberal policies certainly seem stemmed in externalizing personal responsibility but it's obvious hyperbole.

And I was trolling in response.

I don't seriously think veterans should be denied medical care because of their choice to serve.

[MrFun]

How is that a relevant comparison? The choice to join the military our made with the promise of medical care. It is part of the quid pro quo.

But maybe it shouldn't be. I think veterans should be solely responsible for their own choices without being coddled.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yes liberals believe in society because they aren't ridiculous little caveman fantasists.

Umm why wouldn't you fantasize about this?

[KrazyHorse]

Usually when someone has a serious illness or disease, the person requires medical care.

I don't know what you mean by "requires"; I agree she would probably be better off with medical care, but that is insufficient to prove to me that she should get it.

[KrazyHorse]

But maybe it shouldn't be. I think veterans should be solely responsible for their own choices without being coddled.

If you think people will continue to join up in the numbers and quality required then that's fine with me. I agree that in general the US likely overpays in lifetime benefits versus immediate cash (in kind payments are generally inefficient, and there is likely substantial mismatch between the discount rates of those joining and the government).

Note that this is a separate discussion from my opinion on the size and adventurism of the US military.

[kentonio]

Umm why wouldn't you fantasize about this?

I think we just figured out why you keep having women troubles.

[MrFun]

If you think people will continue to join up in the numbers and quality required then that's fine with me.

Seriously? Wow.

[KrazyHorse]

Seriously? Wow.

I don't know why you fetishize dangers that are faced by the modern US military; plenty of professions in the private sector are far more dangerous.

[Al B. Sure!]

I don't know why you fetishize dangers that are faced by the modern US military; plenty of professions in the private sector are far more dangerous.

Like being a Black male in Chicago

[Hauldren Collider]

But maybe it shouldn't be. I think veterans should be solely responsible for their own choices without being coddled.

Tricare is part of the compensation package for veterans. You could take it away, but you'd get less recruits. It's not out of some sense of justice, it's just a component of the ****ing paycheck.

[regexcellent]

You don't get tricare unless you stay in for 20+ years. Otherwise you get VA benefits. And we all know how amazing VA healthcare is.