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    Scientists claim that homosexuality is not genetic — but it arises in the womb
    George Dvorsky
    A team of international researchers has completed a study that suggests we will probably never find a ‘gay gene.' Sexual orientation is not about genetics, say the researchers, it's about epigenetics. This is the process where DNA expression is influenced by any number of external factors in the environment. And in the case of homosexuality, the researchers argue, the environment is the womb itself.
    The Epigenetic Key
    Writing in The Quarterly Review of Biology, researchers William Rice, a professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Urban Friberg, a professor at Uppsala University in Sweden, believe that homosexuality can be explained by the presence of epi-marks — temporary switches that control how our genes are expressed during gestation and after we're born.

    Specifically, the researchers discovered sex-specific epi-marks which, unlike most genetic switches, get passed down from father to daughter or mother to son. Most epi-marks don't normally pass between generations and are essentially "erased." Rice and Friberg say this explains why homosexuality appears to run in families, yet has no real genetic underpinning.

    Epigenetic mechanisms can be seen as an added layer of information that clings to our DNA. Epi-marks regulate the expression of genes according to the strength of external cues. Genes are basically the instruction book, while epi-marks direct how those instructions get carried out. For example, they can determine when, where, and how much of a gene gets expressed.

    Moreover, epi-marks are usually produced from scratch with each generation — but new evidence is showing that they can sometimes carryover from parent to child. It's this phenomenon that gives the impression of having shared genes with relatives.

    Masculinization and Feminization
    To reach this conclusion, Rice and Friberg created a biological and mathematical model that charted the role of epigenetics in homosexuality. They did so by applying evolutionary theory to recent advances in the molecular regulation of gene expression and androgen-dependent sexual development.


    This data was integrated with recent findings from the epigenetic control of gene expression, especially in embryonic stem cells. This allowed the researchers to develop and empirically support a mathematical model of epigenetic-based canalization of sexual development, or the tendency of heredity to restrict the development of some characteristics to just one or a few traits. Their model successfully predicted the evolution of homosexuality in both sexes when canalizing epi-marks carry over across generations with nonzero probability.

    In their study, the team writes that they "tracked changes in chromatin structure that influence the transcription rate of genes (coding and noncoding, such as miRNAs), including nucleosome repositioning, DNA methylation, and/or modification of histone tails, but not including changes in DNA sequence."

    The resulting model predicted that homosexuality can be produced by transgenerational epigenetic inheritance.

    Normally, sex-specific marks that are triggered during early fetal development work to protect boys and girls in the womb from undergoing too much natural variation in testosterone, which should normally happen later in a pregnancy. Epigenetic processes prevent female fetuses from becoming masculinized when testosterone exposure gets too high, and vice versa for males.

    Moreover, epi-marks also protect different sex-specific traits from swinging in the opposite direction; some affect the genitals, and others may affect sexual orientation. These epi-marks can be transmitted across generations from fathers to daughters, or mothers to sons.

    Essentially, Rice and Friberg believe they have discovered the presence of "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks — which sometimes carry over to the next generation and cause homosexuality in opposite-sex offspring.

    And importantly — in order to satisfy the rules of Darwinian selection — the researchers noted through their mathematical modeling that these epigenetic characteristics can easily proliferate in the population because they increase the fitness of the parent; these epi-marks normally protect parents from natural variation in sex hormone levels during fetal development. They only rarely reduce the fitness of offspring.

    The entire study will appear online at The Quarterly Review of Biology later this week and go by the title, "Homosexuality as a consequence of epigenetically canalized sexual development."


    There are some pictures if you click the link.

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  • #2
    This is why I support and/or oppose gay marriage
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    • #3
      Regardless, it still undercuts the right wing fundy nutjob bit that it's a chosen behavior that can be "cured" by therapy.
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      • #4
        An interesting read.

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        • #5
          Hello Jrabbit. Aside for a slight car issue today, life is great. How are you?

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          • #6
            Homosexuality shouldn't be able to run in the families for obvious reasons.
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            • #7
              Do Russians suffer from stupidity due to genetics, or does it simply arise from in the mother's womb?
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              • #8
                Russians are immune to any changes in the womb, due to the pickling effects of alcohol.
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                • #9
                  MrFun does not seem smart enough to comprehend the idea that homosexuality as a genetic trait would be very highly selected against.

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                  • #10
                    You mean to the point where homosexuals would only comprise, say, 10% of the population?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                      MrFun does not seem smart enough to comprehend the idea that homosexuality as a genetic trait would be very highly selected against.
                      I have thought about that long before this thread, idiot.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                        You mean to the point where homosexuals would only comprise, say, 10% of the population?
                        You think there can be an ESS for a gayness-causing (likely recessive) gene? Since its carriers will have on average less children than non-carriers, they should get bred out of existence. I've heard of "gay uncle" theories that say it increases the survivability of offspring, but why aren't there more gays, then?
                        I don't think the cause of homosexuality is something as simple as a heritable trait.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                          You mean to the point where homosexuals would only comprise, say, 10% of the population?
                          You think there can be an ESS for a gayness-causing (likely recessive) gene? Since its carriers will have on average less children than non-carriers, they should get bred out of existence. I've heard of "gay uncle" theories that say it increases the survivability of offspring, but why aren't there more gays, then?
                          I don't think the cause of homosexuality is something as simple as a heritable trait.
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                          • #14
                            The gene for sickle-cell anemia should have been bred out of existence, except that if you've got one gene for sickle-cell anemia then you're resistant to malaria, hence the reason that the gene for sickle-cell anemia has survived. If there's a genetic component to homosexuality then it might be something along the same lines - I dunno, maybe two gay genes makes you gay, and one gay gene makes you a good listener.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat View Post
                              Regardless, it still undercuts the right wing fundy nutjob bit that it's a chosen behavior that can be "cured" by therapy.
                              If by therapy you mean abortion which was always the alternative to the "its all genetics" explanation...
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