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    CEO Council Demands Cuts To Poor, Elderly While Reaping Billions In Government Contracts, Tax Breaks
    Posted: 11/25/2012 10:11 am EST Updated: 11/25/2012 10:31 am EST

    WASHINGTON -- The corporate CEOs who have made a high-profile foray into deficit negotiations have themselves been substantially responsible for the size of the deficit they now want closed.

    The companies represented by executives working with the Campaign To Fix The Debt have received trillions in federal war contracts, subsidies and bailouts, as well as specialized tax breaks and loopholes that virtually eliminate the companies' tax bills.

    The CEOs are part of a campaign run by the Peter Peterson-backed Center for a Responsible Federal Budget, which plans to spend at least $30 million pushing for a deficit reduction deal in the lame-duck session and beyond.

    During the past few days, CEOs belonging to what the campaign calls its CEO Fiscal Leadership Council -- most visibly, Goldman Sachs' Lloyd Blankfein and Honeywell's David Cote -- have barnstormed the media, making the case that the only way to cut the deficit is to severely scale back social safety-net programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security -- which would disproportionately impact the poor and the elderly.

    As part of their push, they are advocating a "territorial tax system" that would exempt their companies' foreign profits from taxation, netting them about $134 billion in tax savings, according to a new report from the Institute for Policy Studies titled "The CEO Campaign to ‘Fix’ the Debt: A Trojan Horse for Massive Corporate Tax Breaks" -- money that could help pay off the federal budget deficit.

    Yet the CEOs are not offering to forgo federal money or pay a higher tax rate, on their personal income or corporate profits. Instead, council recommendations include cutting "entitlement" programs, as well as what they call "low-priority spending."

    Many of the companies recommending austerity would be out of business without the heavy federal support they get, including Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase, which both received billions in direct bailout cash, plus billions more indirectly through AIG and other companies taxpayers rescued.

    Just three of the companies -- GE, Boeing and Honeywell -- were handed nearly $28 billion last year in federal contracts alone. A spokesman for Campaign To Fix The Debt did not respond to an email from The Huffington Post over the weekend.

    The CEO council recommends two major avenues that it claims will produce "at least $4 trillion of deficit reduction." The first is to "replace mindless, abrupt deficit reduction with thoughtful changes that reform the tax code and cut low-priority spending." The second is to "keep debt under control over the long-term by focusing on the long-term growth of entitlement programs."

    CEOs are encouraged to present a Fix-The-Debt PowerPoint presentation to their "employee town hall [meetings and] company meetings." To further help get the word out, the campaign borrowed a page from the CEOs this fall who wrote letters encouraging their employees to vote for Mitt Romney, or face job cuts. This time, the CFD has created two templates for bosses to use at their companies.

    But in the past week, in order to make their case to the millions of Americans who don't work for them, CEOs fanned out into television, to convince the rest of the country that slashing the social safety net is the only way to reduce the deficit.

    In an interview aired Monday, Goldman Sachs chairman and CEO Lloyd Blankfein said Social Security "wasn't devised to be a system that supported you for a 30 year retirement after a 25-year career." The key to cutting Social Security, he said, was simply a matter of teaching people to expect less.

    "You're going to have to do something, undoubtedly, to lower people's expectations of what they're going to get," Blankfein told CBS, "the entitlements, and what people think they're going to get, because you're not going to get it."

    Blankfein and Goldman Sachs don't have to worry about lowering expectations. After receiving a $10 billion federal bailout in 2008, and paying it back a few years later, Goldman Sachs recently exceeded Wall Street analysts' expectations by announcing $8.4 billion in third quarter revenues for 2012. On the heels of a great year, Blankfein is expected to take home an even larger salary than he did in 2011, when he made $16.1 million.

    To understand the importance of banking profits to the members of the deficit council, one need look no further than the two top-ranking members of the Campaign To Fix The Debt's steering committee, former New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg (R) and former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Democrat. Gregg is currently employed as an international adviser to Goldman Sachs, while Rendell collects his paycheck from the boutique investment bank Greenhill & Co.

    Following Blankfein's evening news appearance on Monday, Cote, the Honeywell CEO, sat down with the same network on Tuesday, and said essentially the same thing that Blankfein did.

    Cote ranked 11th on a list compiled in a recent study conducted by the Institute for Policy Studies of executives who have saved the most from the Bush tax cuts. According to the IPS, Cote's taxable compensation for 2011 was a bit more than $55 million, and he did not pay about $2.5 million thanks to the Bush tax cuts.

    After mentioning a few scary-sounding deficit statistics, he suggested the government raise revenue by ending individual tax credits and deductions, which he said amounted to a $1 trillion "giveaway" in 2011. It was clear, however, that Cote hadn't come on the show to talk about taxes.

    "The big nut is going to have to be [cuts to] Medicare/Medicaid … especially with the baby boomer generation retiring. It's going to literally crush the system."

    But while Cote strongly recommends cutting those benefits, when it comes to the tax obligations of corporations, he's clear about what he wants: a corporate tax rate of zero.

    "From a fairness perspective, nobody would be able to stand [a zero tax rate on corporate profits]," but if the U.S. really wanted to create jobs, he said this spring, "we would have the lowest rate possible."

    At Honeywell, Cote practices what he preaches. Between 2008-2010, the company avoided paying any taxes at all. Instead, the company got taxpayer-funded rebates of $34 million off of profits totaling nearly $5 billion.

    Part of what makes the lobbying blitz around the fiscal cliff so complex for CEOs on the Fiscal Leadership Council is that many of them need more than just low tax rates. They also need Congress and the White House to maintain current defense spending levels so they can continue winning enormous contracts.

    In 2011, $40 billion of taxpayer money was divided among just nine CFD member companies, led by defense giant Boeing, which raked in $22 billion in federal contracts alone, more than the other eight companies combined. For his efforts as CEO, Boeing's Jim McNerney took home nearly $23 million in compensation last year.

    But even as McNerney lends his name to the deficit commission, his company has quietly begun laying off U.S. workers ahead of defense cuts that are expected to be part of a deficit reduction deal. The company denies that federal spending has anything to do with the job cuts, but defense industry analysts aren't convinced.

    At least one faction of Boeing's workforce is thriving: Boeing lobbyists in Washington have made $12 million since January fighting proposed cuts to defense and aerospace projects.
    These CEOs want to break the middle class and the working poor over balancing our federal government budget, but insist on not making contributions/sacrifices themselves.

    Here's how we can drastically reduce welfare. Raise the federal minimum wage to $11.00 an hour and have it permanently indexed to inflation. We would see millions of minimum wage workers getting off of welfare and see a huge reduction in welfare spending.

    In addition, we can cut a lot of the defense contracting spending we have with corporations that is only so much pork spending and subsidization, without compromising national security and our actual/real military defense.

    Third, we can increase the tax rate for the wealthy and corporations by one or two percent.

    Fourth, legislate more tax laws to close all existing loopholes that the wealthy and corporations use to avoid paying the taxes they should already be paying.

    Fifth, and this is only a pipe dream - have the United Nations convene the world's nations together, and enact new international laws and an agreement that would allow nations to tax overseas bank accounts and investments that belong to their own citizens.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    A late Thanksgiving thought. Threads like these make me thankful that Fun is gay, if only to prevent to the passage of genetic code onto the next generation.
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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    • #3
      Why do you hate Switzerland, MrFun?
      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
        A late Thanksgiving thought. Threads like these make me thankful that Fun is gay, if only to prevent to the passage of genetic code onto the next generation.
        Why should we balance the budget only on the backs of the middle class and the working poor?
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #5
          As an incentive for them to make more money - somebody making minimum wage isn't going to put forth the effort to become a billionaire if their taxes are just going to go up.
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          • #6
            Second thankful thought. Given no young funyuns about, we have reason to hope for our next generation's educational system.
            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MrFun View Post
              Why should we balance the budget only on the backs of the middle class and the working poor?
              Entitlements are one of the largest drivers of US sovereign debt.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
                Second thankful thought. Given no young funyuns about, we have reason to hope for our next generation's educational system.
                Why do you think someone would go to the effort of getting a masters of history if not to be an educator of somesort?
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #9
                  Third thankful thought, Fun has yet to corrupt our youth as he has been unemployable.
                  "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                  “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                  • #10
                    MrFun lacks the intellectual firepower to actually make a reasoned analysis of his own beliefs.
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                      Entitlements are one of the largest drivers of US sovereign debt.
                      So you agree then that the entitlements of the wealthy and corporations need to be drastically reduced. Thank you.
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #12
                        Instead of making ad hominem attacks Ogie and HC, present counter arguments as to why my ideas would not work.
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                          So you agree then that the entitlements of the wealthy and corporations need to be drastically reduced. Thank you.
                          Entitlements of the wealthy being reduced is pretty much one half of the Ryan plan. Of course, means-testing social security and medicare is "throwing seniors under the bus"!
                          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                          • #14
                            Mine are not attacks, merely reasons to be thankful.

                            Also your ideas start from fallacious premises.

                            1)Raise the federal minimum wage to $11.00 an hour and have it permanently indexed to inflation. We would see millions of minimum wage workers getting off of welfare and see a huge reduction in welfare spending. I know you and some others here think this a fertile ground of benefit. The best one can say is this is may have positive revenue impacts, but more likely will be deletrious. The net benefit of this in terms of governmental revenue is questionable at best and could very well be a negative impact both in terms of additional unemployment and net reduction in cost of living for middle and lower class as basic costs of services and food (ie. employers of minimum wage) likely will increase.

                            2)In addition, we can cut a lot of the defense contracting spending we have with corporations that is only so much pork spending and subsidization, without compromising national security and our actual/real military defense. Besides being a nice soundbite, do you have any idea of how much is available for cutting? Is it meaningful? what are the implications?

                            3)Third, we can increase the tax rate for the wealthy and corporations by one or two percent. i.e. allow Bush TAx cuts to expire and add at best $70-80 Billion per year to the revenues. (static assummptions). Worthy of consideration perhaps but a drop in the bucket of what is required. (see DD response re: Entitlement reform)

                            4)Fourth, legislate more tax laws to close all existing loopholes that the wealthy and corporations use to avoid paying the taxes they should already be paying.
                            Similar to above, wealthy (1 MM annual income) if taxed at 100% (Close all loopholes and raise rates to 100%) would run the US governement about 3 months. Thats about $400 billion-ish vs. deficits in excesss of $1 trillionper year.

                            5)Fifth, and this is only a pipe dream - have the United Nations convene the world's nations together, and enact new international laws and an agreement that would allow nations to tax overseas bank accounts and investments that belong to their own citizens. Why would you want this? Foreign investment is to be attracted not discouraged. Why would you wish to impose death sentences on developing countries?
                            Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; November 26, 2012, 15:21.
                            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
                              Mine are not attacks, merely reasons to be thankful.
                              Yes, they are ad hominem attacks. Don't partake in this thread if you can't contribute any thoughts to the discussion.
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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