So about that abortion thing..

[Asher]

Oh, and for Asher (), I'm anti-death penalty and pro-universal health care.

That's because you approach Christianity intellectually. You understand what it's supposed to be all about.

[Asher]

Why do you find it so difficult to understand quite how important the child's life to its own body really is? In particular, its right not to be murdered?

Is that right in the constitution?[/HC]

[Kuciwalker]

For the record, the death penalty sucks and is also racist, at least in the US. It needs to go.

[regexcellent]

A fetus is going to be guilty of a whole host of crimes eventually. Sexual assault, physical assault, emotional abuse, etc.

What the ****? What is this, Minority Report? Our track record on executions is bad enough without doing it preemptively.

[Asher]

2) Um, no they are not. "Stand your ground" means that if your life is threatened you can respond with deadly force. THAT'S IT.

No, it's not. Please learn the laws of your own country.

[Jaguar]

Cultural difference. To my European eyes the "in certain circumstances" is implicit in "I think mothers should have the right to choose that."

In the United States, "right to choose" is a euphemism designed to cater to the 25% of people who think it should be legal in all circumstances without doing much to annoy people like you or me.

[Asher]

What the ****? What is this, Minority Report? Our track record on executions is bad enough without doing it preemptively.

I can state with 100% certainty that every fetus will eventually assault a woman.

You know the Stork theory isn't real, right?

[regexcellent]

No, it's not. Please learn the laws of your own country.

Yes it is. Stop pretending to know the laws of my country, and stop pretending that the right to self defense is just a tool for racist white men to run around gunning down ******s in the street.

[regexcellent]

I can state with 100% certainty that every fetus will eventually assault a woman.

You know the Stork theory isn't real, right?

Um. Again, what the ****? I'm pretty sure when I was conceived, it wasn't assault.

[Guynemer]

While I respect what you're trying to do, you must use a ridiculously low number of posts per page and you should be ashamed of yourself.

So, more then?

[Asher]

Yes it is. Stop pretending to know the laws of my country, and stop pretending that the right to self defense is just a tool for racist white men to run around gunning down ******s in the street.

No, it's not.

Stand your Ground Laws are self-defense laws, with the additional feature that they do NOT have an obligation to retreat.

[Asher]

Um. Again, what the ****? I'm pretty sure when I was conceived, it wasn't assault.

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to do here.

Maybe others will.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So basically we have the same view - with some slight difference on dates.

I think this shows what HC was alluding to earlier - the US position has become so extreme on both ends that we seem to be arguing for the opposite position simply because my desire to ban abortion after the 3rd trimester makes some treat me like an extreme pro-lifer (seriously have been yelled at for it).

[regexcellent]

Yes, of course. Hence, as I said, you can use lethal force if you are threatened with lethal force. There are no strings attached. And that is not inconsistent with an anti-abortion position (why the hell would it be?).

My position on abortion is that at the very latest, 1st trimester is okay.

[Asher]

Yes, of course.

Not of course. It's a phenomenon unique to the US and third world countries, as far as I know.

Most countries have a right to self-defense.

The difference is the US legalizes the murder of people if you feel threatened, even if you can clearly retreat to save your life.

That shows a wanton disregard for human life, which means...

Hence, as I said, you can use lethal force if you are threatened with lethal force. There are no strings attached. And that is not inconsistent with an anti-abortion position (why the hell would it be?).

you don't give a **** about human life.