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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostDepends on which public interest you are interested in having served, right?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Felch View PostOh wait, I forgot, you're a smug bastard, and you pick and choose parts of the Bible that match your own prejudices, so that you can shove them in people's faces. There are parts that disagree with your own personal moral code, but you know better than God so you just ignore those.
Though I'm not surprised.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View PostWhich interests were served by the police confiscating generators during Hurricane Katrina in a region that at the time had been left without power from post 58 and how did the public benefit?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostLots of people profit off of tragedy and misfortune for a living- just look at doctors who work at hospitals, funeral directors and trial lawyers. Nothing wrong with it.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostWe can pick and choose examples of things going overboard on either side, but lets discuss the general premise please.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Actually, let me save some steps and get to the core of the disagreement (though I honestly thought DD would get it where HC and others may not): moral decisions made by people aren't necessarily the most economically rational decisions. Hell, they may not be rational in any sense - it may just be a collective offending of conscience. However, my belief is that that isn't always bad and may not be that bad the majority of the time (one example - we aren't that keen, morally, on 15 year olds getting married, even if they may as rationally mature as 18 year olds - I'm sure Ozzy can come up with something on this - based on our ideas of when people are able to fully 'consent'). Others will likely disagree. I also believe that our society has become too indebted to rationality and the pendulum of the Enlightenment has swung too far (so to speak).
Have I encapsulated the issues here sufficiently?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View PostOK. What moral good is served in interfering with free transactions between free people?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostLet me restate then. People would not like to see business unfairly profit off the misfortune of others. Unfairness is determined, of course, by societal norms. Those who are in the general trade of dealing with misfortune (of the aftermaths thereof) are considered different that those who decide to use their increased demand to charge much higher prices than usual in order to make greater profit. In the vast majority of societies the later is unconsidered immoral.
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Originally posted by gribbler View Postif you claim morality is determined by public opinion in a particular area you're essentially saying morality is entirely subjective.
There are general principles of morality that I think exist (not that this is going to earn me any favors but, ones that I think match God's views on what just society should look like); however, I don't necessarily think they are consonant with what is most economically efficient (once again, I know I'm appealing to God, but forgive me - if you treat your neighbor as yourself that may not be efficient).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View PostOK. What moral good is served in interfering with free transactions between free people?
"Give me what I want or you'll die! I see nothing immoral about this!"Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post(though I honestly thought DD would get it where HC and others may not):I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostIf I put a gun to your head ...I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View PostOK. What moral good is served in interfering with free transactions between free people?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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