GUNS GUNS GERNS

[Felch]

Even the owner of Barrett, who makes such guns, admits there is a threat.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/big-rifle-a-terrorist-tool/

That's not true

Could the gun be used by a terrorist to shoot down a commercial airliner?

"It'd be very difficult. It would if it were a tactic that were even remotely possible," says Barrett. "Then our military, who happens to use the rifle, would be training their troops to do such."

But in his sales brochures, Barrett advertises the .50-caliber as a weapon that can take planes down.

"There's some military brochures that we had early on that showed that you could damage aircraft on a runway or Scud missiles and things like that," says Barrett. "Yes, you could if you have a parked target."

But not in the air? "That's correct," says Barrett.

A plane is more likely to be downed by a flock of birds than a Barrett.

[Sava]

Let's assume the shooter doesn't have a ****ing federal explosives license and nobody was actually willing to sell him mk. 211 ammo. It is straight up NOT POSSIBLE to get those unless you stole it from a military depot.

There are at least three different permits you'd need to get APEI ammo AND the manufacturer, in Norway, would have to sell it to you.

OHHH!!!

So federal laws ARE effective at preventing people from acquiring things.

That's good news.

You see, I thought "criminals" would have guns even if they were banned. I'm glad you guys support the efficacy of federal laws all of a sudden!

Considering how hard it is to get HE incendiary ammo for a Barrett, I think the jillion odd Strelas floating around the world are a more realistic threat.

[Sava]

That's not true

AND THEN YOU QUOTE HIM SAYING IT IS


HAHAHHAHA SO MUCH SELF PWNAGE HAHAHHA

A plane is more likely to be downed by a flock of birds than a Barrett.

HAHAHAHHAHA

but I thought planes can't be hurt by bullets? but birds?


HAHAHAAHHAHHAHHH


You need to seriously get your **** together. So much self-contradictory bull****.

[regexcellent]

The NYPD has a crew equipped with .50 sniper rifles. They think they can take down a jet.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...a-not-exactly/

They're ****ing idiots then. Try to hit two of four vulnerable points on an airplane flying at 200+ knots at more than a mile away with a ****ing .50 cal in the MAYBE 30-second window between takeoff and it getting out of range. It's not going to work.

edit: actually, you probably have less than 10 seconds.

[Sava]

OMG IM LAUGHING SO HARD IM CRYING HAHAHAHAH

this is awesome

[Felch]

The NYPD has a crew equipped with .50 sniper rifles. They think they can take down a jet.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...a-not-exactly/

Did you even read that article?

So sure, the NYPD could, in theory, take out a plane’s engine. If the President happens to be in town, the helicopter crews have their .50 cals. If the plane is small enough. And if the NYPD sniper gets extremely lucky — hitting a target flying hundreds of miles per hour while firing from something as unstable as a copter would be one hell of a shot. (No wonder New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the NYPD’s anti-air arsenal couldn’t prevent a 9/11 repeat.) Realistically, the cops’ best bet to take down a plane is to pick up the phone and call in the Air Force.

[regexcellent]

OHHH!!!

So federal laws ARE effective at preventing people from acquiring things.

That's good news.

You see, I thought "criminals" would have guns even if they were banned. I'm glad you guys support the efficacy of federal laws all of a sudden!

It has way more to do with it being very rare and very expensive.

Also, it's not all that useful unless you're shooting lightly armored vehicles. Which criminals will never find themselves doing. And in any conceivable use for a terrorist there are cheaper, more effective options. WHICH IS THE POINT FELCH AND I ARE MAKING.

[Felch]

Sava is clearly illiterate.

[Sava]

Did you even read that article?

So sure, the NYPD could, in theory, take out a plane’s engine. If the President happens to be in town, the helicopter crews have their .50 cals. If the plane is small enough. And if the NYPD sniper gets extremely lucky — hitting a target flying hundreds of miles per hour while firing from something as unstable as a copter would be one hell of a shot. (No wonder New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the NYPD’s anti-air arsenal couldn’t prevent a 9/11 repeat.) Realistically, the cops’ best bet to take down a plane is to pick up the phone and call in the Air Force.

Yes. You apparently didn't.

Keep up with the self-pwnage. This is hilarious.


Here's a pro-tip: just because there are better ways to do something, doesn't mean a less effective course of action is ineffective.

[regexcellent]

You have..."Let's sneak a bomb on board and blow up the plane" or "let's sneak one of millions upon millions of Strela missiles basically lying around everywhere into the country" versus "go to a gun store and buy a Barrett, then bribe someone for some very rare, very expensive ammo that might on a very lucky day set a fuel line on fire and force the plane to make an emergency landing."

Also considering these rifles are unrestricted in 49 states (IIRC) you'd think that if this were a workable idea someone would have tried it. BUT IT'S NOT.

[Sava]

Sava is clearly illiterate.

YES!

BECAUSE EVERYTHING POSTED CONFIRMS WHAT I"M SAYING


But I guess you are right. I'm unable to read the things that go against what I'm saying. Hint: They don't exist.

[Felch]

but I thought planes can't be hurt by bullets? but birds?

Remember this?

Now point me to the plane brought down by a Barrett.

Birds 1, Barretts 0

[Sava]

You have..."Let's sneak a bomb on board and blow up the plane" or "let's sneak one of millions upon millions of Strela missiles basically lying around everywhere into the country" versus "go to a gun store and buy a Barrett, then bribe someone for some very rare, very expensive ammo that might on a very lucky day set a fuel line on fire and force the plane to make an emergency landing."

So your argument is now.... terrorists won't do it because they are super smart and will always try the most effective strategy?

You know we had a guy try to take down a plane with a shoe bomb, right?

And an underwear bomb.

[regexcellent]

A DHL plane survived one of these in Iraq and landed safely at an airport with no injuries:



The Soviets made millions of these and sent them everywhere, including Latin America.

Such a plane would also survive an explosive charge about 1/20th the size (maybe less) which doesn't have a proximity fuze, and would DEFINITELY survive a .50 cal KE bullet with no explosive charge.

[Sava]

Remember this?

Now point me to the plane brought down by a Barrett.

Birds 1, Barretts 0

So the only things that CAN happen are things that have happened. Awesome





I can't believe I have three of you retards just digging yourselves deeper.

Well, DD hasn't posted in a while. Maybe he wised up. Not likely, but possible.