Vacancy at Guantanamo

[Kidlicious]

That only makes him innocent in kentonio universe.

[kentonio]

That only makes him innocent in kentonio universe.

I never said he was innocent, but I'm damned if locking him up indefinitely and torturing him to extract a confession is the sign of a justice system thats working.

[giblets]

I never said he was innocent, but I'm damned if locking him up indefinitely and torturing him to extract a confession is the sign of a justice system thats working.

Telling him big black guys raped someone in the shower is a form of torture now?

[Kidlicious]

No he didn't. You fool. Original testimony was he was incapacitated when the medic was shot. Original testimony was the medic was probably killed by friendly fire. Testimony was changed to fit the case the US had to make against him. Fool.

No. The enemy fired first.

[kentonio]

Telling him big black guys raped someone in the shower is a form of torture now?

Should we count this stuff instead?

Khadr states that he was refused pain medication for his wounds, that he had his hands tied above a door frame for hours, had cold water thrown on him, had a bag placed over his head and was threatened with military dogs, was flatulated upon, forced to carry 5-gallon pails of water to aggravate his shoulder wound. Unallowed to use washrooms, he was forced to urinate on himself.[69][81] His chief interrogator was Joshua Claus, who later pleaded guilty to abusing detainees to extract confessions following the in-custody death of wrongly accused Dilawar that same year.[84]

[Kidlicious]

I never said he was innocent, but I'm damned if locking him up indefinitely and torturing him to extract a confession is the sign of a justice system thats working.

But you want him to be treated as a POW?

[kentonio]

Yes of course, or else if you want to treat him as a non-combatant then do so within the normal legal system, not this farce of a kangaroo court.

[notyoueither]

Under the hilarious new system whereby you have to wear a special badge to be counted as a legal rather than illegal soldier.

Nothing new about it. People have been shot on site at the side of the road for not being in uniform for centuries. It is a long extant rule of war.

[notyoueither]

So let me just get this right, America was allowed to bomb and shoot at him, but if he shoots back he's a murderer right?

That basically is the case. If a uniformed police officer kills someone in the line of duty it is unlikely to be murder. If anyone kills a uniformed police officer it is very unlikely not to be murder.

Double standard? Yup. Good reason for it? Yup.

[Wezil]

That's why you're a troll, and couldn't care less about murder.

I would attempt an intellectual discussion with you Kid about the actual facts of the case but quite frankly in such a discussion I would have to consider you unarmed. Geneva prohibits it.

[kentonio]

That basically is the case. If a uniformed police officer kills someone in the line of duty it is unlikely to be murder. If anyone kills a uniformed police officer it is very unlikely not to be murder.

Double standard? Yup. Good reason for it? Yup.

It's a bit more difficult to try and claim rules of uniformed combat when you're invading a country to fight a non-uniformed opponent.

[notyoueither]

No. It is not. You might say the lawless nature of the place was a factor in the invasion to begin with.

That doesn't mean the rules of war get tossed in the trash bin.

[kentonio]

Sorry but if you invade a country to fight a non-uniformed opponent, you can't really sit and cry about how the people you're shooting are actually shooting back at you. It's also a bit rich to claim they are not real soldiers and therefore don't deserve any of the protections of war.

[notyoueither]

Nobody is saying they did not deserve the protections of the rules of war. They did indeed get them. People who took up arms in an unlawful manner were prosecuted, not shot at the side of the road.

[C0ckney]

they weren't prosecuted, they were taken and held without trial for years, or sent to third countries where they often suffered torture.