Umpteenth shootout in the US, this time near New York's Empire State building

[Hauldren Collider]

How often does Canada do border stops? Maybe slightly more often than the NY state police. But not enough to make it terribly difficult to run some guns...

[regexcellent]

How did this guy get a gun? If some failure like him can get one, it's probably not all that hard.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/06/21/edmonton-robbery-shooting-travis-baumgartner.html

(I'll save you some trouble and tell you that it's probably originally from Montana.)

EDIT: Are armored car guards in Canada typically armed? They are in some parts of the US but I don't think they would be in Edmonton, Alberta.

[Asher]

How did this guy get a gun? If some failure like him can get one, it's probably not all that hard.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/06/21/edmonton-robbery-shooting-travis-baumgartner.html

(I'll save you some trouble and tell you that it's probably originally from Montana.)

EDIT: Are armored car guards in Canada typically armed? They are in some parts of the US but I don't think they would be in Edmonton, Alberta.

He used his service weapon. It was not his personal gun. Yes, armored car guards are armed.

[Asher]

How often does Canada do border stops?

Are you serious?

100% of the time...

You have to speak to a border guard, show ID, etc when entering Canada. One of the questions they ask you is if you have any firearms with you. If you are suspicious, they will search your vehicle.

[regexcellent]

Yes, just like when you enter the United States, they ask if it is your intent to commit any acts of terrorism. The idea that this would stop actual terrorists is laughable at best.

[snoopy369]

Given the fun stories I've heard about US border crossing, I suspect some people change their minds on that question during the process...

[regexcellent]

I've never had a problem with it. When you're coming from Mexico traffic can be bad sometimes.

[Asher]

Yes, just like when you enter the United States, they ask if it is your intent to commit any acts of terrorism. The idea that this would stop actual terrorists is laughable at best.

No one said it does. But you wouldn't believe how many Americans answer "yes" to the gun possession question and are turned away.

To be clear, I'm not saying guns are not smuggled across the border. They are. It's just a helluva lot more effective than a state border is at preventing smuggling.

[snoopy369]

But will you be able to overthrow your government when it becomes oppressive and evil?

[The Mad Monk]

That's just because there are too many cowardly democrats not packing heat, and because Republicans only pull guns on people when victory is assured (which extends to US national security policy).

"Fight only when victory is assured"

Yep, that's definately poor policy, right there.

[Asher]

But will you be able to overthrow your government when it becomes oppressive and evil?

Yes

[snoopy369]

Umm, that lasted a whopping nine months. Or are you suggesting the return of the liberals was the victory?

[Asher]

Umm, that lasted a whopping nine months. Or are you suggesting the return of the liberals was the victory?

My bad, I meant this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...election,_1984

And it's not a Liberals vs Conservatives thing.

It resulted in the repeal of the National Energy Policy, a truly oppressive and evil act.

Put dramatically, Canada tried to steal Alberta's oil money. Instead of going to war like the American Way, we voted the bastards out and fixed it.

[snoopy369]

Good lord, you all have a clause in your constitution saying that Parliament can override your fundamental rights simply by saying they want to? You sure you don't want guns?

[MrFun]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19372533

This is like those terrorist attacks in Israel/Iraq/Afghanistan. After a while everyone thinks it's normal.
So what are US policy makers going to do about this random violence do you think?

GUNS EQUALS FREEDOM!! MORE GUNS EQUALS MORE FREEDOM!! AMERICA, **** YEAH!!