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  • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
    So you can shoot someone who is robbing someone else's store without repercussions? Awesome
    Just to emphasize that everyone's a target in these robberies.

    Another day, another dollar store...

    Video, 911 call of Dollar General shooting released

    By Stan Finger
    The Wichita Eagle
    Published Monday, August 27, 2012, at 5:54 p.m.
    Updated Tuesday, August 28, 2012, at 6:43 a.m.

    Wichita Police Dept. Surveillance image showing DeJuan Colbert during his shooting in the Dollar General Store. DeJuan Colbert was shot by the police when he confronted them after robbing the store.Gallery: Dollar General Store robbery
    Security video of Dollar General robbery Security video of Dollar General robbery

    Police on Monday released three videos, photographs and the 911 tape linked to the robbery of a Dollar General store in south Wichita late on the night of Oct. 30 that culminated in officers fatally wounding one of the robbers as he charged at them with a knife.

    The Sedgwick County District Attorney’s Office ruled Friday that the three officers were justified to use deadly force in subduing DeJuan Colbert, 28, who was pronounced dead about a half-hour later at a local hospital.

    Deputy Police Chief Tom Stolz said police officials released the videos and 911 tape for three reasons: local media had requested it, the release is consistent with the police department’s stated goal of transparency, and it demonstrates what crime victims endure and what police officers have to deal with in such circumstances.

    “It’s hard to watch,” Stolz said of the video. “It’s tough to look at.”

    The manager of the Dollar General at 2427 W. Pawnee took a call about an hour before closing time on the night of Oct. 30 asking what time the store closed, Stolz said. The call raised his suspicions, because the store had been robbed previously.
    A few minutes before closing time, the manager locked one of the two glass entry doors as a precaution. That would prove to be key, Stolz said, because “it kept the suspect from getting out to the other officers” as he tried to escape.

    The video shows the first officer sidestepping a charging Colbert, whom the district attorney’s office reported came within inches of the officer with the knife. The first officer through the door fired three shots, while two other officers approaching the door fired a combined total of 32 or 33 shots.

    An autopsy determined Colbert was hit 15 times by gunfire.

    The other two videos released by police show the cash register area, where Colbert took money from cash registers and the manager’s wallet and cellphone, and the back of the store, where the other two robbers forced the second employee on duty to the floor and held her at knifepoint.

    She felt the knife pressed into her back, Stolz said.

    Colbert briefly put down the steak knife he was holding to load cash from the register till into the green plastic bag he was carrying, Stolz said, but picked it back up moments before the officers arrived. It was found next to his body where he collapsed just outside the store.
    Stolz described the manager as “calm and heroic” in how he handled the robbery. He dialed 911 with the store’s cordless phone and placed it on a shelf out of view. Dispatch operators eventually overheard enough words from the unfolding robbery to recognize what was happening and alert officers nearby.
    Once notified, officers arrived at the store in less than a minute.
    Colbert’s younger brother, Ajalon Johnson, and Kenneth Turner were arrested at the back of the store.
    Authorities say Colbert and Johnson robbed the same store on Sept. 25 and the Family Dollar store at 2559 S. Seneca on Oct. 2. Johnson, now 18, has begun serving a prison sentence of 118 months — just short of 10 years. Turner, 30, was sentenced to just under six years in prison for his role in the Oct. 30 robbery.


    Police sure do fire a lot of shots, don't they?

    edit: the video is very graphic.
    Last edited by The Mad Monk; August 28, 2012, 14:30.
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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    • The robbers brought knives to gunfights.
      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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      • If the police had tazers would they have been able to equally effectively disable the thief?
        One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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        • They probably had tasers but didn't use them.
          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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          • Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
            Just to emphasize that everyone's a target in these robberies.

            Another day, another dollar store...





            Police sure do fire a lot of shots, don't they?

            edit: the video is very graphic.
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            • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
              Obviously this is true. I'm just unsure if it's a cost effective way to draw down the force by transforming active formations into guard formations. My first inclination is that it would be.

              I think it's probably much more politically doable than straight-up cutting the total (active+reserve) size of the force dramatically, especially since there are winners at the state government level. The military is probably the biggest hunk of pork in the federal budget, what with all those unnecessary bases and procurements. Changing it faces a lot of resistance.
              The politic hurdles are a different matter. But we don't need both the Biggest(US Army) and Second Biggest(USMC) army in NATO for our national security. The Army should be a training cadre for a draft and the USMC offshore troubleshooters...that's it.
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              • Originally posted by Lonestar View Post
                The politic hurdles are a different matter. But we don't need both the Biggest(US Army) and Second Biggest(USMC) army in NATO for our national security. The Army should be a training cadre for a draft and the USMC offshore troubleshooters...that's it.
                What I was told is that the National Guard is the replacement for the draft so that we still have a citizen army but made up of volunteers instead of conscripts. I don't think anyone is interested in going back to a conscripted army. Also, drafting officers doesn't really work; you'd at least need to have a substantial reserve officer corps for your "draft cadre" thing to work.

                I agree that our active force should for the most part only be big enough to handle the day to day obligations. The Marine Corps at its present size is probably big enough for that, bar certain specialty units it doesn't have that the Army does have. Also the Army has way more helicopters.

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                • Police and/or National Guard needs to shoot people in New Orleans. Looting already happening and the storm isn't really even there yet. Damn dumb coonasses.
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                  • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                    What I was told is that the National Guard is the replacement for the draft so that we still have a citizen army but made up of volunteers instead of conscripts.

                    Whoever told you that is a ****ing idiot.

                    I don't think anyone is interested in going back to a conscripted army.
                    For most of our history we had a volunteer army with a militia/Guard reserves. The only peacetime draft we ever had was one year before Pearl Harbor and a partial draft from the late 40s to mid 70s.


                    Also, drafting officers doesn't really work; you'd at least need to have a substantial reserve officer corps for your "draft cadre" thing to work.
                    Actually, the "90 day wonders" turned out to work pretty well during WW2. For that matter, there are comissioning programs right now that lets you go to OCS("90 day wonders") without having done any ROTC/Military training. I have a cousin who did that with the Air Force.

                    I agree that our active force should for the most part only be big enough to handle the day to day obligations. The Marine Corps at its present size is probably big enough for that, bar certain specialty units it doesn't have that the Army does have. Also the Army has way more helicopters.
                    The USMC is bigger than any army in NATO besides the American Army and Turkish one. The USMC is much, much too big. Their role should be as offshore troubleshooters, not "Army Jr."

                    Figure you have 30k Marines assuming that every Amphib the USN has is available at any given time, then times 3 for overhead(MSG, air wings, intel nerds). This makes the USMC less than half of what it currently is in size.
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                    • The national guard as citizen army thing was told to me by a NY ARNG recruiter so I can understand if it's a crock of ****.

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                      • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                        The national guard as citizen army thing was told to me by a NY ARNG recruiter so I can understand if it's a crock of ****.
                        The National Guard traces it's lineage to the militia formed for the Jamestown colony, althugh it's current incarnation didn't come until it was named and organized as such under TRs administration. It has never, ever, been intended as a "replacement" for the draft. For the longest time it was there simply as a mass of people who knew that the loud end of the rifle was pointed at the enemy.

                        (An Army at Dawn, by the way, has some great bits about how the National Guard trained before mobilization began in 1940.)

                        It wasn't until after the draft ended in the 70s that the "total force" doctrine came into effect and more emphasis was placed on them being able to be rapidly called up and fight with active army units...which meant more training and better equipment.
                        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                        • the US seems impervious to massacres on gun control. It only took one for us to tighten our laws.
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                          • Originally posted by Alexander's Horse View Post
                            the US seems impervious to massacres on gun control. It only took one for us to tighten our laws.
                            The US tends to believe that gun control means "gun control" not "gun bans" which is what everyone else on the planet thinks it means.

                            Of course, the US also had people blowing up schools or bombing black neighborhoods from private airplanes and it still literally toop decades before dynamite was banned from private individual ownership :P
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                            • Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                              If the police had tazers would they have been able to equally effectively disable the thief?
                              Sod the thief. This was someone prepared to use violence against others. Why should the police risk getting stabbed just so he is apprehended?

                              If you're going to steal, steal, but as soon as you threaten or use violence against someone else then the kid gloves should come straight off (like they did in this case).

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                              • Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                                Damn dumb coonasses.
                                Seriously? This is acceptable language here?

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