I want to believe in evolution

[Kidlicious]

Sorry, that's a ridiculous conclusion. My point about scale was to illustrate that the possibilities are almost certainly beyond our understanding. You are looking for easy answers to incredibly complex questions and insisting that because you can't have an easy answer that you'll make one up yourself. Also the idea that there are no other possible conclusions is incredibly arrogant. It makes you sound like a flat earther insisting that the earth being flat is the only possible conclusion. If history has shown us anything its that there is always more to learn.

You haven't offered any other conclusions. So far God did it is the only conclussion on the table. Is it a fact? No. My point is that you don't have any conclusions because all you will use is science, and that discipline can not afford you a conclusion.

I already pointed out that if the universe is infinite there may well be no start or end but just an endless cycle. Once again you're making an assumption that everything has to have a start point. As I've repeatedly said though, we don't know the answer, we don't yet have the capacity to find the answer, but that does not mean there is no answer to be found. The stuff we now know would have seemed utterly ridiculous and beyond comprehension just a century ago, so what makes you so certain that you have all the answers now?

What do you mean, "if the universe is infinite?" Do you or don't you believe in big bang? I'm confused now.

[Kidlicious]

Oh, Steady State theory? "The steady state model is now largely discredited, as the observational evidence points to a Big Bang-type cosmology and a finite age of the universe." -wiki

[giblets]

Why don't you go take a long walk off a short cliff? You suck.

Is that the sort of thing Jesus would want you to say?

[giblets]

You haven't offered any other conclusions. So far God did it is the only conclussion on the table. Is it a fact? No. My point is that you don't have any conclusions because all you will use is science, and that discipline can not afford you a conclusion.

How is God on the table? How is invoking God to explain the universe any more sensible than invoking a meta-God to explain God? Is God an atheist? Is the meta-God a turtle who was created by an even more powerful turtle, all the way up?

[kentonio]

You haven't offered any other conclusions. So far God did it is the only conclussion on the table. Is it a fact? No. My point is that you don't have any conclusions because all you will use is science, and that discipline can not afford you a conclusion.

Here's another theory, the universe was **** out of the ass of a giant omnipotent unicorn with a rainbow mane. Please point out how your theory has more validity than mine and why.

What do you mean, "if the universe is infinite?" Do you or don't you believe in big bang? I'm confused now.

Oh, Steady State theory? "The steady state model is now largely discredited, as the observational evidence points to a Big Bang-type cosmology and a finite age of the universe." -wiki

If the reports of radiation patterns older than the big bang are true, it could be that the universe endlessly contracts and then expands. Last I heard the expansion was seemingly theoretically too fast to allow for subsequent contraction, but again we really don't know nearly enough about how anything works yet to be drawing definitive conclusions about anything. It could be that when supermassive black holes start to merge that some really weird **** happens that we simply haven't ever seen.

[Kidlicious]

Is that the sort of thing Jesus would want you to say?

I don't know. Jesus had a few words for hypocrites that you may not be aware of.

[Kidlicious]

How is God on the table? How is invoking God to explain the universe any more sensible than invoking a meta-God to explain God? Is God an atheist? Is the meta-God a turtle who was created by an even more powerful turtle, all the way up?

I'll repeat. If God can create the universe he doesn't need to be created.

[giblets]

I don't know. Jesus had a few words for hypocrites that you may not be aware of.

Yeah, I'm not aware of him telling anyone to walk off a cliff. That would kind of clash with the "love your neighbor" stuff.

[giblets]

I'll repeat. If God can create the universe he doesn't need to be created.

Why? If the universe creates something is the universe exempt from needing to be created?

[Kidlicious]

Here's another theory, the universe was **** out of the ass of a giant omnipotent unicorn with a rainbow mane. Please point out how your theory has more validity than mine and why.

What is your basis for saying that he is giant, a unicorn, and has rainbow mane?

If the reports of radiation patterns older than the big bang are true, it could be that the universe endlessly contracts and then expands. Last I heard the expansion was seemingly theoretically too fast to allow for subsequent contraction, but again we really don't know nearly enough about how anything works yet to be drawing definitive conclusions about anything. It could be that when supermassive black holes start to merge that some really weird **** happens that we simply haven't ever seen.

Which part of "the evidence points to a finite age of the universe" don't you get? All of this doesn't mean anything. You are talking irrelevancy. What does it have to do with anything?

[Kidlicious]

Yeah, I'm not aware of him telling anyone to walk off a cliff. That would kind of clash with the "love your neighbor" stuff.

Anyone who acts like you are right now is a jackass, and not my neighbor.

hint: Do you know the context in which Jesus said "love thy neighbor?"

answer:
“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

[Kidlicious]

Why? If the universe creates something is the universe exempt from needing to be created?

The universe is governed by the laws.

[giblets]

Anyone who acts like you are right now is a jackass, and not my neighbor.

hint: Do you know the context in which Jesus said "love thy neighbor?"

Oh, so God allows you to judge whether someone is a "jackass" who you don't have to treat you with kindness?

[giblets]

The universe is governed by the laws.

So maybe the laws were never created?

[giblets]

28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” 32 And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him. 33 And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12&version=ESV

Yeah, I'm not seeing any exceptions to who is a "neighbor" there.