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    Essentially, fracking has enabled the price of natural gas to plummet, resulting in many power plants switching over to it instead of coal, resulting in some of the lowest CO2 emissions in 20 years. But of course everything that helps the environment that isn't a result of enormous government intervention must be evil somehow, right?




    The Free Market Is Crushing CO2 Emissions
    Anti-CO2 activists may have to find something else to give their lives meaning. The AP reports that “the amount of carbon dioxide being released into the atmosphere in the U.S. has fallen dramatically to its lowest level in 20 years, and government officials say the biggest reason is that cheap and plentiful natural gas has led many power plant operators to switch from dirtier-burning coal.”

    So if you’ve been championing government action as the last best hope to save humankind from the big broil, you too should find a hobby: “Many of the world’s leading climate scientists didn’t see the drop coming, in large part because it happened as a result of market forces rather than direct government action against carbon dioxide.”

    Finally, if you think the problem has been America’s uncooperative attitude regarding international treaties, you’re wrong: “the shift from coal to gas has helped bring the U.S. closer to meeting some of the greenhouse gas targets in the 1997 Kyoto treaty on global warming, which the United States never ratified.”

    It’s an amazing story, really. How did it happen? Shale gas and fracking: “A frenzy of shale gas drilling in the Northeast’s Marcellus Shale and in Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana has caused the wholesale price of natural gas to plummet from $7 or $8 per unit to about $3 over the past four years, making it cheaper to burn than coal for a given amount of energy produced.”

    Whether or not you think anthropogenic global warming is a real problem, it’s hard to overstate the significance of this. For years, the Inconvenient Truthers have been telling us the sky will fall unless Big Government comes in to regulate emissions on a global scale. Federally backed “green-energy” companies like Solyndra have gone bust on the taxpayer’s dime trying to combat CO2. The free market is now under perpetual attack, as a human-killing, planet-destroying profit monster that can only be fought back by a new regulatory regime. Hydraulic fracturing (the practice of freeing underground natural gas by using a mix of pressurized fluid containing water, sand, and chemicals) has come under fire from environmentalists as the energy-evil du jour. And, of course, in the supposedly “post-American” world, we are told the United States can no longer afford to look down on international agreements that would hold the behavior of Americans to the standard of some mediating body like the UN. All of it, nonsense.

    No government or bureaucracy can centrally plan to accomplish what the self-interested nodes of a free-market system can. The U.S. brought down CO2 emissions without help from Washington or the United Nations. We can always raise them again by killing free-market innovation on the advice of environmentalists.


    And for those that try to claim that this is a MrFun, it hasn't been posted here once, let alone four times before.
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    A month or two ago, anti-fracking was all the rage on facebook from the liberals.
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    • #3
      Went into DC the other day to find Metro Center filled to the brim with a bunch of the anti-fracking morons.

      They hate nuclear, they hate fracking, they hate everything that could solve their problems. What they'd love to do is ban corporations, which of course are the real cause of global warming...

      Drill baby drill
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      • #4
        I know nothing about fracking but I'm assuming it's awesome just because liberals are against it. serious.
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        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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        • #5
          Thats because you're a moron. If fracking is safe then good on it, but there seem to be some pretty serious questions about the toxic effects, and it's especially worrying that the mix of chemicals is apparently being kept secret. If its safe then it should be fine to be open and transparent about it, and have a real discussion that doesn't come down to ****ing politics.

          Then again we should all just go full nuclear anyway.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kentonio View Post
            Then again we should all just go full nuclear anyway.
            Can't. Liberals.


            Nuclear power, GMO, etc. Liberals are the new Luddites.
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            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kentonio View Post
              Thats because you're a moron.
              Yeah, that about sums it up.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                Can't. Liberals.


                Nuclear power, GMO, etc. Liberals are the new Luddites.
                You should probably get over this idea that theres a group called liberals who all think the same thing.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                  You should probably get over this idea that theres a group called liberals who all think the same thing.
                  They all think the same thing on facebook, MSNBC, Mother Jones, etc. etc. etc.
                  "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                  "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                  • #10
                    yup it's true, people hate fraking because it's not the result of environmental regulationn.

                    only pussified liberals want things like clean drinking water!

                    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) released draft findings of its investigation of contaminated water in Pavillion, Wyoming today. The agency investigated allegations against a drilling company, Encana , which uses a process called hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” (where a mixture of water, chemicals and sand is pressure-blasted deep underground to create fissures that release oil and gas deposits). This is the first time a federal investigation has made a connection between fracking and contaminated water supplies.

                    The EPA bored two deep wells to monitor water in the aquifer, and found “compounds likely associated with gas production practices, including hydraulic fracturing,” the agency said. They found “synthetic chemicals, like glycols and alcohols consistent with gas production and hydraulic fracturing fluids, benzene concentrations well above Safe Drinking Water Act standards and high methane levels.” The EPA noted that because of the geology of the area and how close the wells are to ground water, contaminating the aquifer and water supply over time is a concern.
                    and earthquakes, when did one of those ever hurt anyone?

                    A spate of earthquakes across the middle of the U.S. is “almost certainly” man-made, and may be caused by wastewater from oil or gas drilling injected into the ground, U.S. government scientists said in a study.

                    Researchers from the U.S. Geological Survey said that for the three decades until 2000, seismic events in the nation’s midsection averaged 21 a year. They jumped to 50 in 2009, 87 in 2010 and 134 in 2011.

                    Those statistics, included in the abstract of a research paper to be discussed at the Seismological Society of America conference next week in San Diego , will add pressure on an energy industry already confronting more regulation of the process of hydraulic fracturing.
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                    • #11
                      That article sounds like it was written by a cheerleader. Is she hot?

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                      • #12
                        Is there any fracking going on around any of you? I'm curious if anyone has first hand knowledge or if it's all based on a favorite publication.
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                        • #13
                          I'm not one to frack and tell.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            Essentially, fracking has enabled the price of natural gas to plummet, resulting in many power plants switching over to it instead of coal, resulting in some of the lowest CO2 emissions in 20 years. But of course everything that helps the environment that isn't a result of enormous government intervention must be evil somehow, right?
                            No but it seems you believe that everything that helps the environment that is a result of enormous government intervention must be evil, which puts you in the same league as Speer. Congrats !
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                              Thats because you're a moron. If fracking is safe then good on it, but there seem to be some pretty serious questions about the toxic effects, and it's especially worrying that the mix of chemicals is apparently being kept secret. If its safe then it should be fine to be open and transparent about it, and have a real discussion that doesn't come down to ****ing politics.

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                              Actually fracking companies hesitation to provide their formulas is all about them wanting to maintain any performance advantage they have over competitors. It's just like big pharmaceuticals in that if you develop a wonderful mix, you don't want to just list your ingredients to the world so everyone copies you.

                              This was an issue for me doing a drilling contract. We needed to know the chemicals involved at a site as we were responsible for disposal of waste liquids and the fracking company would only give enough information to allow us to ensure disposal regs were followed. It was along the lines of " it's all these types and not those types"
                              Last edited by Flubber; August 18, 2012, 08:58.
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