Fight against so-called voter "fraud" unwittingly targets legitimate voters.

[kentonio]

26 cases in 3 years in a country of around 310,000,000. Wow it's almost an epidemic..

Incidentally, the onus is not on anyone to prove voter fraud isn't happening, that's asking for proof of a negative. If its a problem then prove its a problem.

[Wezil]

I think this is very reasonable.

Yeah, I hate to do it but I don't come here to be insulted. I entered the thread with malice toward no one (Republican, Democrat, members of minority groups or my fellow posters) yet get insulted rather than debated. My ignore list is reserved for name callers. Even Ben isn't on it.

[Felch]

26 cases in 3 years in a country of around 310,000,000. Wow it's almost an epidemic..

Incidentally, the onus is not on anyone to prove voter fraud isn't happening, that's asking for proof of a negative. If its a problem then prove its a problem.

We don't have to prove it's a problem. Nobody is recommending rash and excessive action to prevent voter fraud. We're simply saying, "Bring a photo ID with you to the polls". And if you don't have an ID, and can't afford one, we'll pay for it. Asking for identification before handing over something as precious as a ballot is reasonable and responsible.

[kentonio]

So you're happy to disenchfranchise huge numbers of people for no reason. If that's your position then just own it.

[kentonio]

Actually thats slightly harsh of me. I should ask are you in support of the actual laws that some states are passing, or just the principle of voters requiring ID?

[DaShi]

We don't have to prove it's a problem. Nobody is recommending rash and excessive action to prevent voter fraud. We're simply saying, "Bring a photo ID with you to the polls". And if you don't have an ID, and can't afford one, we'll pay for it. Asking for identification before handing over something as precious as a ballot is reasonable and responsible.

Certainly reasonable and responsible, but also rather costly.

[Felch]

So you're happy to disenchfranchise huge numbers of people for no reason. If that's your position then just own it.

Huge numbers of people can't be bothered to get a free photo ID before voting? And you think that confirming the identity of people before giving them a ballot isn't a reason?

Actually thats slightly harsh of me. I should ask are you in support of the actual laws that some states are passing, or just the principle of voters requiring ID?

I don't know the details of the laws, so say that I support the principle of voters identifying themselves before receiving a ballot.

Certainly reasonable and responsible, but also rather costly.

We're talking about a cost on the order of several million dollars per state. Maryland, a pretty average sized state, has an annual budget of about 35 billion dollars. Voter IDs would be a drop in the bucket.

[DaShi]

How about adding a photo to the voter registration ID, if someone doesn't have another form of photo ID?

[Felch]

That would work fine by me.

[DinoDoc]

What if you lost your job due to illness or injury, then your car got repossessed, so you didn't renew your driver's license? Maybe you lost your license due to your illness.

How does one have a job to loose in the first place or in the instance of this hypothetical apply to be on the government dole without proof of identity?

[The Mad Monk]

An expired license is still good for getting ID -- otherwise it would be a royal pain at renewal -- it just means you aren't allowed to drive.

[Dr Strangelove]

How does one have a job to loose in the first place or in the instance of this hypothetical apply to be on the government dole without proof of identity?

Ummm, did I not put the loss of job before the not renewing the license in the sequence of events? I beleive that all one has to have to apply for welfare is a social security number and a signature. Remember, at one time a signature was the standard of identification.

[Jon Miller]

How about adding a photo to the voter registration ID, if someone doesn't have another form of photo ID?

I think this is the good solution.

JM

[rah]

I don't think anyone here arguing for a photo id would object to this.

[DaShi]

Anybody who disagrees with DaShi, or expects him to provide any even a single example of this disenfranchisement, is resorting to BK levels of dishonesty.

That's incorrect. Those were not the reasons I accused him of Ben-like tactics. Nor did I call him dishonest. When you started to use a Ben-like tactic, I called you out on it as well, harping on epilepsy for some reason as if it was the key to voter ID fraud.