Bernie Sanders exposes billionaires who are buying US government.

[Jaguar]

I hardly think that mental health is the sole solution to extreme poverty.

It is by far the most important issue facing the extreme poor in America.

[DaShi]

I'm not convinced.

[Jaguar]

It is a substantial focus for virtually all major organizations designed with the explicit goal of helping the homeless.

[Jon Miller]

It is because it is mostly the mentally ill (including due to drugs) who don't get gov. support.

JM

[DaShi]

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That doesn't mean it's the most effective solution. Few governments make mental health a priority, or even a significant component of their anti-poverty programs. It might just be that it is the easiest one to do for such organizations. They may lack the means for more effective measures.

[Kuciwalker]

You're right, we obviously have to look at various alternative methods of reducing inequality and their effects to be sure that a policy is actually beneficial. There are of course some caveats but the fact remains that inequality is a problem.

Did you actually read any of the posts you've been responding to?

Inequality is not a problem. Poverty is a problem. Inequality is evidence that certain tools (e.g. redistribution) may be useful in reducing poverty. If you go around asking "hey guys, what policies do you think would reduce inequality?" you are doing it wrong.

Here is the correct conversation:

"Hey guys, what policies do you think would reduce poverty?"
"Well, it looks like some people have huge amounts of stuff. If we take some of their stuff and give it to poor people, that would probably reduce poverty. As long as we don't take so much that people stop actually making stuff because they know we'll take lots of it, we should be OK."

Here is an incorrect conversation that happens all the time:

"Hey guys, what policies do you think would reduce poverty?"
"Well, it looks like some people have huge amounts of stuff. If we do X, we will reduce the amount of stuff the have. Let's go do X!"

[Jon Miller]

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That doesn't mean it's the most effective solution. Few governments make mental health a priority, or even a significant component of their anti-poverty programs. It might just be that it is the easiest one to do for such organizations. They may lack the means for more effective measures.

Basically when it turned out that mental institutions were hell holes and had serious fundamental issues, most mentally unstable people who would have been institutionalized were put out (to the streets).

JM

[DaShi]

Extreme poverty is also likely to be a contributing cause of mental illness.

[giblets]

Did you actually read any of the posts you've been responding to?

Inequality is not a problem. Poverty is a problem. Inequality is evidence that certain tools (e.g. redistribution) may be useful in reducing poverty. If you go around asking "hey guys, what policies do you think would reduce inequality?" you are doing it wrong.

Here is the correct conversation:

"Hey guys, what policies do you think would reduce poverty?"
"Well, it looks like some people have huge amounts of stuff. If we take some of their stuff and give it to poor people, that would probably reduce poverty. As long as we don't take so much that people stop actually making stuff because they know we'll take lots of it, we should be OK."

Inequality is a factor associated with poverty. Poverty is a problem. Inequality is a problem. It's like you're saying "Carcinogens aren't a problem, cancer is a problem. "

[Kuciwalker]

Inequality is a factor associated with poverty. Poverty is a problem. Inequality is a problem. It's like you're saying "Carcinogens aren't a problem, cancer is a problem. "

Voting for Democrats is also a factor associated with poverty. Reducing that will probably be more effective.

[giblets]

Yeah, maybe if more people voted for third parties they'd end up with something better than Democrats

[Kuciwalker]

Inequality is a factor associated with poverty. Poverty is a problem. Inequality is a problem. It's like you're saying "Carcinogens aren't a problem, cancer is a problem. "

Just to confirm, you do understand you are engaging in a basic logical fallacy here, right?

[giblets]

Floods are not a problem. Drowning and property destruction are problems. Thank you for teaching me how to not commit a fallacy.

[Kuciwalker]

You keep doing it, actually.

[Kuciwalker]

Or do you think that floods are merely "related" to property damage, but aren't sure if or what the causal connection is?