Mitt caught in a direct lie?

[Lorizael]

Which, correct me if I'm wrong, he tried to do but was prevented by congress.

You're wrong. Whenever the White House is asked about it nowadays, they say something along the lines of, "It turned out closing Gitmo is hard. "

If he was responsible for the decision to outsource jobs from Bain controlled firms to China, then how is that a stretch?

As I understand it, there was no "decision to oursource jobs."

[giblets]

Of him lying, or Ken bringing this up? Both?

Of him lying about a little outsourcing? If he can't defend that then he's a pretty ****ty Republican.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If I'm understanding it correctly, he said that he gave up all power in the company in 1999. It seems that instead he still retained 100% of the shareholding, was chairman of the company and attended board meetings of various Bain owned companies, and was receiving a large salary. Do those two things really go together?

They most definitely can. People don't understand corporate governance all that well it appears.

[Lorizael]

Look at Bill Gates. He's still Chairman of Microsoft but it's widely understood that he plays essentially no part now and it's Steve Ballmer who runs the show.

[kentonio]

Why would he lie about this? I don't see the point.

Because it was politically convenient to deny any connection with the outsourcing of US jobs.

Of him lying, or Ken bringing this up? Both?

Yes it is certainly pointless to draw attention to the man who could become US president being proven to have lied to the American people. Why would anyone give a **** about something like that..

[kentonio]

You're wrong. Whenever the White House is asked about it nowadays, they say something along the lines of, "It turned out closing Gitmo is hard. "

Fair enough.

As I understand it, there was no "decision to oursource jobs."

It just 'happened' one day?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Yay! POTUS engaging in the equivalent to Birtherism.

I remember when that used to be a disqualifier for serious political consideration.

[Wiglaf]

Which, correct me if I'm wrong, he tried to do but was prevented by congress.



If he was responsible for the decision to outsource jobs from Bain controlled firms to China, then how is that a stretch? Someone at Bain made that decision, and his claim has been that by that time he had given up this decision making position in the firms. This evidence seems to directly contradict that.

At this point it's not even about whether he outsourced jobs, it's about whether he lied about having not outsourced jobs. It's the same as pretty much every big political scandal, it's the coverup that will kill you, not the initial act.

This is probably one of the most pathetic posts I've seen on this site in a while. Outsourcing jobs to make millions of dollars for a failing company that hired you to do just that is good, lying is bad, and there is no evidence the latter occured.

[DaShi]

The only reason anyone cares about these technicalities is that Bain had to close companies and outsource jobs in 1999, which no one except unskilled American retards has a problem with. \.

But that's Romney's base.

[Elok]

Yes it is certainly pointless to draw attention to the man who could become US president being proven to have lied to the American people. Why would anyone give a **** about something like that..

Clinton lied a bunch of times, but since the majority of the lies were about blowjobs I didn't care, and still don't. In this case, he may or may not have deliberately lied about the extent of his formal involvement in a business venture thirteen years ago. Whether or not he was involved in any specific controversial decision about downsizing or outsourcing or whatever remains unclear. I wouldn't care either way. Of course, the good old Electoral College makes it pointless for me to vote for either of them, and thus to follow the elections, but this sounds a lot like that business with his dog, or his Dem counterpart Kerry's fondness for Swiss.

[kentonio]

This is probably one of the most pathetic posts I've seen on this site in a while. Outsourcing jobs to make millions of dollars for a failing company that hired you to do just that is good, lying is bad, and there is no evidence the latter occured.

Don't be deliberately obtuse, as I said previously this has nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of outsourcing, it's simply a matter of whether the guy directly lied to the American public, You keep saying there is no evidence this occured, and that is simply untrue. There appears to be plenty of evidence that it occured which is why it's currently a major news story.

The Huffington Post reported on Thursday that, as he prepared to run for governor of Massachusetts in 2002, Romney suddenly had an interest in showing that he WAS involved in Bain business from 1999 to 2002. In a lawsuit filed by Democrats seeking to question his residency, Romney said that he had worked closely on trips back to Boston with at least one Bain-owned company, LifeLike Corp., and had gone to board meetings for Staples and Marriott.

[kentonio]

Clinton lied a bunch of times, but since the majority of the lies were about blowjobs I didn't care, and still don't.

Yet those lies were enough to get him impeached.

[Elok]

Yet those lies were enough to get him impeached.

No, the fact that the lies were about something lurid (and the GOP were in a Captain Ahab mood) got him impeached. Didn't the public turn against the GOP shortly after? I seem to remember something like that, but I was more interested in boobies at the time.

[DaShi]

It was that he lied under oath.

[Hauldren Collider]

No, the fact that the lies were about something lurid (and the GOP were in a Captain Ahab mood) got him impeached. Didn't the public turn against the GOP shortly after? I seem to remember something like that, but I was more interested in boobies at the time.

You don't think it could have something to do with the fact that the lies were under oath?