Falkland Islanders to hold referendum over sovereignty

[Tupac Shakur]

Good intentions my ass...

The report concluded that "indigenous families and communities have endured gross violations of their human rights. These violations continue to affect indigenous people's daily lives. They were an act of genocide, aimed at wiping out indigenous families, communities, and cultures, vital to the precious and inalienable heritage of Australia".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_Them_Home

If you have a solution, please let us know.

You got me. I can't think of a good solution to the problems of a people you mostly eradicated and a society you almost completely destroyed.

[Alexander's Horse]

er no, there were assimilationist aspects to the policy, which was wrong and failed, coupled with the belief at that time that aboriginals were a dying race, but actually the overriding motivation was trying to give aboriginal kids a chance at a better life - away from the grinding poverty, alcoholism, disease, incarceration and sexual abuse of aboriginal communities.

The road to hell as they say is paved with good intentions.

Since children have been returned, outcomes have been little better although there are some bright spots. But most aboriginal kids, especially in remote areas, now face the same old problems, mostly inflicted by their own dysfunctional communities. If you have a solution, please let us know.

[Tupac Shakur]

cos I notice you mention aboriginal children being taken away but you don't mention why

Did you really want me to explain that Australia was trying to eradicate Aboriginal culture by stealing Aboriginal children from their families and raising them as whites? Thought I was doing ya'll a favor by not being specific, since the explanation makes your country look even worse.

[Tupac Shakur]

Then why do you keep arguing that the British should hand them over?

Good luck with trying to find me arguing that. I specifically said in this thread that the Argentinians should move on, even though I understand and sympathize with their grievance.

[Alexander's Horse]

cos I notice you mention aboriginal children being taken away but you don't mention why

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I don't care about who's running the Falklands.

Then why do you keep arguing that the British should hand them over?

[Tupac Shakur]

Whities should take the blame when they deserve it. I think they'll be fine; they will still run the world, after all.

[Alexander's Horse]

It's about historical accuracy, not white guilt. If *******s like MtG weren't denying British actions (like stealing the Falklands from Argentina, or committing genocide/ethnic cleansing that was just as bad as that of the Spanish), I wouldn't have a problem.

so really this is like a reverse racism thing for you? Blame whitie?

[Tupac Shakur]

I don't care about who's running the Falklands.

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It's about historical accuracy, not white guilt. If *******s like MtG weren't denying British actions (like stealing the Falklands from Argentina, or committing genocide/ethnic cleansing that was just as bad as that of the Spanish), I wouldn't have a problem.

Well if you don't give a **** about white guilt then you shouldn't care about who's running the Falklands either.

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We can pretty well assume (and in many cases have strong evidence) that the societies which were destroyed were just as brutal and violent. If you look at primitive societies that for god knows what reason still exist in the Amazon/Orinoco basins and in Papua New Guinea, you know, the ones that ought to have ****ing running water by now but don't, polygamy is very very common due to the fact that most of the men get killed in conflicts with other tribes.

[Tupac Shakur]

No he's not.

And I know you're probably not serious about this Falklands thing, but rather just getting a laugh out of it, but seriously--who ****ing cares about white guilt **** from hundreds of years ago?

It's about historical accuracy, not white guilt. If *******s like MtG weren't denying British actions (like stealing the Falklands from Argentina, or committing genocide/ethnic cleansing that was just as bad as that of the Spanish), I wouldn't have a problem.

[Alexander's Horse]

and let's not pretend colonialism it was all about noble societies oppressed by evil Europeans, it was more a case of superior technology and cooption than conquest.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#Impact_on_native_populations

Molly Bloom is much better than you are at the make-believe internet expert schtick. At least he has the sense to Google **** before he pretends that he already knew it.

No he's not.

And I know you're probably not serious about this Falklands thing, but rather just getting a laugh out of it, but seriously--who ****ing cares about white guilt **** from hundreds of years ago?

[Tupac Shakur]

Native population in the US is actually higher now than in colonial times, with the best real data supporting total population between one and two million at the time of first contact on the mainland.

Estimating the number of Native Americans living in what is today the United States of America before the arrival of the European explorers and settlers has been the subject of much debate. While it is difficult to determine exactly how many Natives lived in North America before Columbus, estimates range from a low of 2.1 million (Ubelaker 1976) to 7 million people (Russell Thornton) to a high of 18 million (Dobyns 1983). A low estimate of around 1 million was first posited by the anthropologist James Mooney in the 1890s, by calculating population density of each culture area based on its carrying capacity. In 1965, the American anthropologist Henry Dobyns published studies estimating the original population to have been 10 to 12 million. By 1983, he increased his estimates to 18 million.

He took into account the mortality rates caused by infectious diseases of European explorers and settlers, against which Native Americans had no immunity. Dobyns combined the known mortality rates of these diseases among native people with reliable population records of the 19th century, to calculate the probable size of the original populations. By 1800, the Native population of the present-day United States had declined to approximately 600,000, and only 250,000 Native Americans remained in the 1890s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#Impact_on_native_populations

Molly Bloom is much better than you are at the make-believe internet expert schtick. At least he has the sense to Google **** before he pretends that he already knew it.