I had no idea Scott Walker was so popular

[Al B. Sure!]

It doesn't matter what nice stories you tell yourself. Workers were randomly beaten down by the police and disposed of like garbage when they lost an arm in a work accident.

That right there is why you will never be able to have an intelligent discussion about unions.

[Fake Boris]

That right there is why you will never be able to have an intelligent discussion about unions.

You won't lecture me on intelligence.

[Hauldren Collider]

Though Kuci has improved over the years, he still has outbursts of HCism.

I'll take this as a compliment.

[Hauldren Collider]

At the expense of common wisdom.

"BE QUIET MY FOLK ECONOMICS IS BETTER THAN YOUR EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE"

[giblets]

That right there is why you will never be able to have an intelligent discussion about unions.

Because unions make sure that workers who are injured get compensation?

[Kuciwalker]

It doesn't matter what nice stories you tell yourself. Workers were randomly beaten down by the police and disposed of like garbage when they lost an arm in a work accident.

I know lots of people who aren't unionized and that hasn't happened to any of them.

[Al B. Sure!]

Losing arms in work accidents is a real big problem for teachers and government bureaucrats, you know!

Because unions make sure that workers who are injured get compensation?

You mean the government does. Workman's comp.

You won't lecture me on intelligence.

You won't lecture me on unions until you have had the pleasure of working in management for a union employer. It's not 1875.

[Fake Boris]

I know lots of people who aren't unionized and that hasn't happened to any of them.

Losing arms in work accidents is a real big problem for teachers and government bureaucrats, you know!

You are escaping the point you originally made:

Guess what? The entire purpose of unions is to make sure comparable jobs aren't available, so they can sustain higher wages for the people in the union.

[kentonio]

I know lots of people who aren't unionized and that hasn't happened to any of them.

Where exactly do you think those protections actually came from? Many things that are now standard practise for everyone, often started out as concessions forced by unions for workers.

I'm seriously amazed I'm having a debate where I'm basically having to defend unions considering the last real union debate I had led to me being described as a 'heartless Tory *****' over my support for Mrs Thatchers unionbreaking.

[Fake Boris]

Ditto.

I have advocated adjustments to the power held by unions - but jackasses all across the world want to do away completely with collective bargaining, which is just way over the board.

[giblets]

Where exactly do you think those protections actually came from? Many things that are now standard practise for everyone, often started out as concessions forced by unions for workers.

I'm seriously amazed I'm having a debate where I'm basically having to defend unions considering the last real union debate I had led to me being described as a 'heartless Tory *****' over my support for Mrs Thatchers unionbreaking.

His friends are probably college educated people who work in an office. Surprise surprise, they don't have much need for unions.

[regexcellent]

Since alby's never held an office job in his life, maybe you should defer to his judgment.

Of course, this whole thing with Kuci is just a heads I win, tails you lose scenario since if he gave anecdotal evidence, you would accuse him of using anecdotal evidence, while if he gives non-anecdotal evidence, you accuse him of being out of touch and lacking anecdotal evidence.

[DinoDoc]

Why should State workers be forced to join a Union and have dues taken from their paycheck as a condition of employment? If the Union is so great let the employee join it of his own volition.

[kentonio]

Since alby's never held an office job in his life, maybe you should defer to his judgment.

Of course, this whole thing with Kuci is just a heads I win, tails you lose scenario since if he gave anecdotal evidence, you would accuse him of using anecdotal evidence, while if he gives non-anecdotal evidence, you accuse him of being out of touch and lacking anecdotal evidence.

I'm only accusing him of making a ridiculous statement that is obviously ridiculous. :

[Kuciwalker]

Where exactly do you think those protections actually came from? Many things that are now standard practise for everyone, often started out as concessions forced by unions for workers.

Which means we don't need the unions anymore, no?