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[BlackCat]

Kentonio: My issue was with the above statement alone, as it literally makes no sense. I won't attempt to defend America's past actions.

Yeah, currently it of course doesn't make sense. Problem is that current american legislation has a tendency to degrade rights. kentonio says it quite clear - you have a problem with legislation that deny ordinary people their rights. From that, there really aren't that long to my "prediction".

[regexcellent]

Yeah, currently it of course doesn't make sense. Problem is that current american legislation has a tendency to degrade rights. kentonio says it quite clear - you have a problem with legislation that deny ordinary people their rights. From that, there really aren't that long to my "prediction".

What laws are you talking about?

[BlackCat]

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[Lorizael]

Yeah, currently it of course doesn't make sense. Problem is that current american legislation has a tendency to degrade rights. kentonio says it quite clear - you have a problem with legislation that deny ordinary people their rights. From that, there really aren't that long to my "prediction".

No no no. It's not that your prediction is unlikely or anything. It just makes no sense. It makes absolutely no sense for laws to declare an activity unconstitutional. That's simply not the way our system works. There are other ways to degrade our rights, but that's not one of them, because it literally makes no sense.

[regexcellent]

Lori, you've got to understand the European mindset on constitutions, basic laws, and individual rights. In many European countries, the constitution says what the government MUST do, so for instance it's conceivable for dumping toxic waste to be unconstitutional because of everyone's right to a clean environment.

[BlackCat]

But isn't that the problem with your constitution ? It isn't a de facto legislation but one that are open for interpretation ? You are currently applying laws that most other countries would consider illegal simply because their constitution forbids it.

[BlackCat]

Lori, you've got to understand the European mindset on constitutions, basic laws, and individual rights. In many European countries, the constitution says what the government MUST do, so for instance it's conceivable for dumping toxic waste to be unconstitutional because of everyone's right to a clean environment.

That is pure BS.

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But isn't that the problem with your constitution ? It isn't a de facto legislation but one that are open for interpretation ? You are currently applying laws that most other countries would consider illegal simply because their constitution forbids it.

No. The constitution has a list of powers that the federal government may exercise, and a list of things it's forbidden from doing

That is pure BS.

I was half joking. That was a reference to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which has things like protections for labor unions built into it, as well as socialized medicine. I find that kind of ridiculous.

[kentonio]

I was half joking. That was a reference to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which has things like protections for labor unions built into it, as well as socialized medicine. I find that kind of ridiculous.

You find it ridiculous that people would codify the right to healthcare into their fundemental rights, instead of the right to carry guns? I think you just summed up the difference between Europe and the US quite nicely.

[DaShi]

I find regie kind of ridiculous.

[regexcellent]

You find it ridiculous that people would codify the right to healthcare into their fundemental rights, instead of the right to carry guns? I think you just summed up the difference between Europe and the US quite nicely.

Yes; it's not about whether guns are more or less worthy than health care, it's that the health care provision is mandating that the government take an action, as opposed to banning the government from taking an action.

[DaShi]

Exactly, government should be killing people, not helping them.

[regexcellent]

What?

How does that have anything to do with my post? Did you even read it? If you did, did you understand it? It's not that complicated.

[Aeson]

Yes; it's not about whether guns are more or less worthy than health care, it's that the health care provision is mandating that the government take an action, as opposed to banning the government from taking an action.

Yes... damn our Constitution and it's clauses that say the government should hold elections, pay politicians, guarantee a republican form of government to every state, ect.

What were we thinking having a Constitution to tell our government what to do? OMG!?!?

[DaShi]

What?

How does that have anything to do with my post? Did you even read it? If you did, did you understand it? It's not that complicated.

You're just bad at expressing your opinions.