Why isn't this murder?

[Aeson]

WTF is ABC doing putting their "exclusive" over his head for most of the video? Look... we have video... let's cover up the only important thing about the video!

[Al B. Sure!]

If that's really him (with all the ****ups, it may not be), that's pretty damning for Zimmerman. I've been in fistfights where I never felt my life was truly threatened (I know you can die from a single blow so every physical altercation is life-threatening, but still), I received medical attention that cleaned me up, but I still looked like I had been in a fight.

I was expecting photos of Zimmerman's injuries would be shown to the jury to demonstrate that he was threatened, but he looks cool in the video.

[Felch]

You do however need one to compel people to stop and answer questions about their activities. Otherwise people will rightly conclude that you are an aggressor and ought to be able to defend themselves against you.

That's not true or even remotely realistic. Anybody can walk up to anybody else and start up a conversation. I haven't heard any reports that Zimmerman tried to frisk Martin (like in a Terry stop) or arrest him. Of course, we don't know what happened, but you don't need special authority to walk up to someone and ask what they're up to. Think about the reverse: if Martin walked up to Zimmerman and asked him what he was doing, would Martin have been the aggressor and would Zimmerman been entitled to use force to defend himself?

[Al B. Sure!]

Likewise, I keep seeing people say things about 'probable cause'. That's a constraint placed on law enforcement personnel, not private citizens!

[Dinner]

New video shows no blood or bruises on Zimmerman. He was wearing a fleece so maybe his shirt had grass stains but there is none on his fleece.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3QWH9XLvms

[Proteus_MST]

...
Running around and stopping people is not one of the thing they're supposed to do. Zimmerman was never a member of the organization. He was simply a volunteer vigilante. I keep seeing him referred to as a "Neighborhood Watch Captain", but he wasn't a member of the organization and furthermore it's said that he was the only person to volunteer to patrol the community. If he was the only member of this fake neighborhood watch how does that make him a "captain" of the neighborhood watch?

Furthermore, unless Zimmerman would have had no means of identifying himself as a neighborhood watch person. Neighborhood watch organizations issue nice little signs to put on houses and poles to notify burglers that there is a local neighborhood watch organization, but they don't issue badges.

...

I assume if someone is a self acclaimed member of an fictional organisation of which one is the only member I assume he can give himself any title within this organisation that he wishes.
He could have given himself the title of General or Fieldmarshal in his own fictional Neighborhood organization if he had wished so

(at least under the assumption that the name "Neighborhood watch" isn´t a protected title somehow and therefore anyone can start his own "neighborhood watch" if he wishes so, apart from this official organization you are referring to )




As for the ABC-Video...
so, lets assume the injuries never existed ...
in this it seems like it is necessary to examine the role of the police officers who were involved in the case ... after all, in this case it seems like they helped to construct a cover-up for something thatperhaps is either manslaughter or murder.

[PLATO]

Well....I did notice that all the cops were white in the video (actual "white", not "white hispanic")

[Dr Strangelove]

That's not true or even remotely realistic. Anybody can walk up to anybody else and start up a conversation. I haven't heard any reports that Zimmerman tried to frisk Martin (like in a Terry stop) or arrest him. Of course, we don't know what happened, but you don't need special authority to walk up to someone and ask what they're up to. Think about the reverse: if Martin walked up to Zimmerman and asked him what he was doing, would Martin have been the aggressor and would Zimmerman been entitled to use force to defend himself?

Did you not see the word "compel" or do you simply not know what it means?

[Dr Strangelove]

As for the ABC-Video...
so, lets assume the injuries never existed ...
in this it seems like it is necessary to examine the role of the police officers who were involved in the case ... after all, in this case it seems like they helped to construct a cover-up for something thatperhaps is either manslaughter or murder.

Does anyone know how old the picture of Zimmerman in the orange shirt is? I can't really say that the guy in the video is the same person. The hair of the man in the video is much shorter, the face, albeit taken from a different angle, looks less pudgy. Could this be a red herring just like the photos of the teen with the gold tooth passed off as Trayvon? I'm sure the police in Sanford have taken into custody more than one heavy set hispanic in his late twenties, and perhaps red jackets are the in thing. Furthermore there's no date and time display on the video. Don't surveillance cameras usually display date and time? Perhaps the person who passed this on to ABC removed the display because it wasn't the right date and time?

[kentonio]

IIRC it was from 2005 or thereabouts.

[Felch]

Did you not see the word "compel" or do you simply not know what it means?

I saw it, but since it was irrelevant to this situation I ignored it. I haven't heard any reports that Zimmerman tried to frisk Martin (like in a Terry stop), arrest him, or in any other way "compel" him to do anything. Do you have information that Zimmerman "compelled" Martin to answer questions?

[Guynemer]

It is not hard to imagine how Zimmerman might have compelled Martin to answer questions, but that is pure speculation.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Having nowhere else to post this I wonder which implies a more judgemental culture, being assumed guilty in the court of public opinion or being found guilty for being a drunk racist troll. (looking at you Oerdin)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ce-Muamba.html

[Dinner]

Does anyone know how old the picture of Zimmerman in the orange shirt is?

It's from a few years ago (I believe something like four but I don't remember exactly how long ago) from when he was arrested for assaulting an officer or something like that. He apparently had lost a good deal of weight since that picture because in the old picture in the orange shirt
he was kind of pudgy but the video released yesterday showed a guy in much better shape.

[Dinner]

Having nowhere else to post this I wonder which implies a more judgemental culture, being assumed guilty in the court of public opinion or being found guilty for being a drunk racist troll. (looking at you Oerdin)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ce-Muamba.html

Looking at me for what? I haven't said he should go to jail without a trial simply that I believe he is guilty and hope he is brought up on charges. Learn the difference.

Oh, and wrt your source: