Why isn't this murder?

[loinburger]

Just curious - why was he carrying a gun ? One thing is to have a gun in your drawer to fend off home invaders armed with artillery, but a mere sentry doesn't need it.

If he had a concealed carry permit (and I assume he did) then it seems silly not to make use of it.

[KrazyHorse]

Which part of "it is entirely justifiable to shoot somebody to prevent them from beating you to death" went over your head?

Do you have any point whatsoever, then?

The vigilante did not void his right to self-defense by getting out of the car. If he initiated a physical confrontation (by, e.g. trying to tackle the kid while the kid attempted to run away) then he probably did. At a blatant guess, this is the most likely possibility

[Dinner]

http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida-boy-killed-neighborhood-watch-seeks-arrest-044537742.html

More details. Apparently the 911 dispatcher told the guy not to confront the young boy, he decided to do so anyway, they got into some sort of argument and then the man shot the young boy. This idiot is a danger to the public and needs to be in jail.

[loinburger]

Do you have any point whatsoever, then?

Somebody confronting a possible criminal without first calling the police = somebody probably trying to resolve the situation without escalating it. Somebody confronting a possible criminal when the police are already on their way (and nobody is in any danger) = somebody trying to start ****.

[Al B. Sure!]

http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida...044537742.html

More details. Apparently the 911 dispatcher told the guy not to confront the young boy, he decided to do so anyway, they got into some sort of argument and then the man shot the young boy. This idiot is a danger to the public and needs to be in jail.

That's the article in the OP. Really, Oerdin? Why do you always fail?

[Al B. Sure!]

Somebody confronting a possible criminal without first calling the police = somebody probably trying to resolve the situation without escalating it. Somebody confronting a possible criminal when the police are already on their way (and nobody is in any danger) = somebody trying to start ****.

Don't forget that no crime was witnessed. I believe that should be material.

I followed a criminal but I witnessed the crime. I wasn't somebody trying to start ****.

[Dinner]

The article has been updated, dumb ****. They also include a video now.

[Wezil]

nm

[Al B. Sure!]

No it isn't.

It isn't? You sure about that? I know where I got the article from. Let's see...

My OP:

The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.
Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.
"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."
"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

Oerdin's article:

The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.
Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.
"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."
[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]
Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.
As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.
Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.
Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.
"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."
Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.
Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.
"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.
"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."
Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."
"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

Not the same article after me spacing it out?

[Wezil]

Sorry Albie. I misread you. My bad.

[Al B. Sure!]

The article has been updated, dumb ****. They also include a video now.

It has not been updated. Look at the article and look at my OP.

YOU ****ING DUMBASS calling me a dumbass? You're the idiot.

[Dinner]

It didn't have a video there last time and it does now.

Also if you think I care about the opinion of the worst failure in life I've ever seen, well, you're in for a disappointment, alpert.

[Al B. Sure!]

It didn't have a video there last time and it does now.

It did, fool. I posted the OP. I saw it first.

[Wezil]

Albie - I thought you were referring to the "fact" he was told to wait. That simply isn't known but seems to be a presumption among some. Upon rereading I noticed my error.

[Dinner]

In the video the the TV guy says the 911 operator told him to wait for police to arrive.