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  • #46
    There were definitely enough reason for germans to enlist in the army, even without being a commited Nazi.
    aside from general patriotism one has to take into account, that germany was a country with a long militarist tradition (prussian traditions) where someone from the military (especially officers of course) was well respected (especially oficers of course).
    (traditions in which you also were honour bound to follow the orders of your superiors and not question them)

    There was also the loss of WW1 a few decades before which ended with something which was titled by many germans as "DIe Schmach von Versailles" (The Ignomy of Vrsailles) and which can be seen as another reason for a german at this time to volunteer for the army and (without being a racist) support Hitlers plans of conquest (especially with regards to poland, considering the fact that the treaty of Versailles gave a large chunk of eastern prussia to poland)

    Things were different for the Waffen-SS were (at least at the beginning, where they could afford to select) candidates were not only screened for their physical fitness and the racial purity of their family during the last few generations, but also for their ideological consolidation with regards to the national socialist ideology.
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    • #47
      My grandmother's brothers were non-German (Lithuanian) members of the Wehrmacht, by the way. I don't know of their opinion of the Nazi party.
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      • #48
        Pictures of Nazis?

        The problem with the Nazis is that they were never quite this dumb:

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
          The problem with the Nazis is that they were never quite this dumb:

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          The Nazis were dumber. They photographed themselves murdering countless numbers, and kept detailed records about their mass slaughter.
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          • #50
            I have heard in the east many joined the Nazi army because they hated the Soviets. Especially in the Baltic States.

            Not sure how true this is.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
              The problem with the Nazis is that they were never quite this dumb:

              [ATTACH=CONFIG]171202[/ATTACH]

              http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...in-afghanistan
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                I have heard in the east many joined the Nazi army because they hated the Soviets. Especially in the Baltic States.

                Not sure how true this is.

                JM
                I think this may have been the logic for my grandmother's family.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                  I have heard in the east many joined the Nazi army because they hated the Soviets. Especially in the Baltic States.

                  Not sure how true this is.

                  JM
                  It's true. There's a long-standing controversy whether to hail them as heroes or not. On one hand, they fought for independence. On the other hand, Nazis.
                  By the way, there were almost no Jews left in the Baltic states after the war. No, most of them didn't get to emigrate. The locals turned out to be surprisingly supportive of the final solution.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by onodera View Post
                    By the way, there were almost no Jews left in the Baltic states after the war. No, most of them didn't get to emigrate. The locals turned out to be surprisingly supportive of the final solution.
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                    • #55
                      I don't know what the fuss is all about, It was common knowledge when I was a kid that the Nazis enlisted lots of volunteers from all over Europe. Out of some 38 SS divisions 23 were manned wholly or largely by foreigners.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
                        Nope. Napoleon still got beaten. The 1812 war really wasn't of much significance to Britain in the long term.
                        It did force the British to finally vacate the forts in the upper midwest which they were supposed to vacate after the signing of the Treaty of Paris. Better 20+ years late than never.

                        Edit: This was already brought up a week ago.
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                        • #57
                          I think you're confusing the War of 1812 with the Jay Treaty.

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