Martin Luther King, Jr. Day

[molly bloom]

The crazy religious people who want to control everyone generally don't want laws against people who are celibate and gay, just laws against people who have sex with people of the same sex.

From my experience and extensive knowledge of anti-gay legislation in the United Kingdom and elsewhere, this is not the case: the people that dislike gay men and lesbians will have laws against specific sexual acts between adults of the same sex, but as in the case with Section 28, they are also perfectly capable of outlawing dissemination of information about homosexuality too, and outlawing homosexuality full stop.

Criminalizing certain sexual acts that are equally capable of being performed by a man and a woman ONLY if they are performed by two people of the same sex is discrimination, based on sexuality, not on the choices one makes.

Do you imagine that police resources were ever spent the same way on raids or entrapment in heterosexual 'lovers' lanes' the way that they were spent in raiding gay bathhouses in Canada and the United States or gay and lesbian bars ?

They weren't.

And this isn't because of specific sexual acts occurring, it's because of prejudice against homosexuality.

[molly bloom]

Even Kidicious is getting this right.

He isn't, but I can well believe that you'd think so.

I still can't believe that you're dumber than Kidicious.

I can however easily believe you are.

Homosexuality poses health risks, in terms of HIV transmission

No it doesn't. Unprotected sex between people poses health risks. Homosexuality in and of itself is not a health risk.

In the same vein, pot has health risks, but they're not sufficient to warrant criminalization.

Incorrect. I have a friend who is gay and an airline pilot. He could quite engage in safe consensual same sex activity before a flight, but would it be advisable for him to have a couple of joints before flying ? Hardly.

You're equating the human sex drive (which is a basic impulse of life) with the desire to get stoned. I would normally find this hardly credible, but given yopur reasoning, well...

[giblets]

So, you're saying a person is neither homo or hetero until after they have sex with another person? A 40 year old male who wanks to pictures of women but has never had sex with one is not hetero or homo?
You should write for the New England Journal of Asshats.

No. WTF?

[Felch]

No it doesn't. Unprotected sex between people poses health risks. Homosexuality in and of itself is not a health risk.

Then the University of Washington has lied to us.

Incorrect. I have a friend who is gay and an airline pilot. He could quite engage in safe consensual same sex activity before a flight, but would it be advisable for him to have a couple of joints before flying ? Hardly.

You're equating the human sex drive (which is a basic impulse of life) with the desire to get stoned. I would normally find this hardly credible, but given yopur reasoning, well...

My statement was that the health risks of pot were not sufficient to warrant criminalization, and you respond with some anecdote about an airline pilot? How does that prove anything? We don't criminalized alcohol, cold medicines, or insomnia, and they can have a similar impact on pilots.

[Felch]

No. WTF?

Uncle Sparky does not read threads. He finds individual posts, decides that they mean the complete opposite of what they say, and then responds to that imaginary meaning.

[Uncle Sparky]

Uncle Sparky does not read threads. He finds individual posts, decides that they mean the complete opposite of what they say, and then responds to that imaginary meaning.

I do not read threads. Why are you taking it out on Armenians?

[Felch]

[molly bloom]

Then the University of Washington has lied to us.

You don't seem to understand- why, I am not surprised.

You fail to understand that there is a difference between people who are openly gay and men who have sex with men. Not all men who have sex with men identify as gay- especially if they come from certain cultures where you are only presumed to be gay if you are effeminate or if you are the 'passive' partner. Brazil and Mexico are fairly good examples. There are several reasons why men who don't identify as gay but do regularly have sex with other men might be more at risk from the transmission of H.I.V.- lack of education, unwillingness to use condoms, machismo, et cetera.

You can be gay or lesbian and not engage in high risk sexual behaviour. You say that homosexuality in itself is a health risk- breaking news: not all gay men regularly engage in penetrative sex. Not all gay men regularly engage in penetrative sex without a condom.

How do you imagine that a gay man who doesn't engage in penetrative sex is likely to contract H.I.V. ? A fondness for show tunes ?

We don't criminalized alcohol, cold medicines, or insomnia, and they can have a similar impact on pilots.

You seem to be slow on the uptake:

Drunk United Airlines pilot arrested at Heathrow airport
A trans-Atlantic pilot was arrested at Heathrow airport after he failed a breath test as he attempted to board a United Airlines plane carrying 135 people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/6540396/Drunk-United-Airlines-pilot-arrested-at-Heathrow-airport.html

"The court finds the evidence overwhelming that Cope was under the influence of alcohol during the flight," Tunheim wrote in the decision.

"It is extremely fortunate, particularly for the passengers of Flight 7687, that there is no evidence of Cope making poor decisions, affecting safety," the judge stated.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/18/us-drunk-pilot-idUSTRE75H05I20110618

Being gay and in control of an aircraft is hardly the same as being stoned and in control of an aircraft. Or being drunk. I suggest you read up on fatigue and pilot error too.

[Felch]

After controlling for other factors, the University of Washington found that homosexual sex is more dangerous than heterosexual sex. That's the fact that you need to deal with. I don't care about sexual identity or any of the other chaff you're throwing up to distract from reality.

Also just because it's illegal to fly a plane while drunk doesn't mean that alcohol is criminalized. Alcohol is still legal to produce, transport, sell, purchase, and consume. You just can't do certain things while drunk. That's called common ****ing sense.

You really are pathetic, you know that? Your arguments are weak, and unconvincing. You rely on misinterpreting other people's statements, and making generalized sociological bull**** arguments in the face of science and reason. You've plumbed the depths that Kidicious only wishes he could sink to.

[Elok]

I think technically, in Felch's analogy, the comparison should be "piloting while stoned" versus "piloting while having gay sex." Have they done studies on that?

[Felch]

I don't support people being stoned while they work. I feel that drug testing to see if they get stoned in their free time should generally not be used to deny somebody employment.

There are specific reasons to drug test. For example, if you were volunteering for medical testing, and they drug tested you, that's fair, since the presence of other drugs in the system might skew the results. But as far as working at normal jobs, the standard shouldn't be any different than that used for alcohol, i.e. don't show up drunk or stoned.

[molly bloom]

After controlling for other factors, the University of Washington found that homosexual sex is more dangerous than heterosexual sex.

They found that specific sexual acts between specific types of sexual partners led to a greater risk of transmission of H.I.V. . I realize this may seem long-winded, but it's rather more accurate than your abbreviated description.

As I said before: not all gay men have penetrative sex. Not all gay men have penetrative sex without a condom. Not all men who have sex with men identify as being gay.

You said:

Homosexuality poses health risks, in terms of HIV transmission.

It doesn't, unless you believe there's a secret lesbian epidemic of H.I.V. that's being hushed up by the government. Homosexuality is a state- what the study refers to are specific kinds of sexual activity. There's a difference.

I don't care about sexual identity or any of the other chaff you're throwing up to distract from reality.

It's not distraction- it's an attempt to inform you.

You just can't do certain things while drunk. That's called common ****ing sense.

Or stoned. Being gay or lesbian and in charge of an aircraft isn't a health risk, to the pilot or passengers. Your analogy is so absurd, I feel a teeny tiny bit sorry for you.

You've plumbed the depths that Kidicious only wishes he could sink to.

Imagine how terribly upset I am by your assessment. Perhaps you need to mellow out...

I think technically, in Felch's analogy, the comparison should be "piloting while stoned" versus "piloting while having gay sex."

No, because he's confusing being gay/homosexual (which is a state) and having sex, which is an activity. I doubt anyone promotes the notion of engaging in sex while piloting an aircraft. Or driving a car for that matter. I understand that the latter has certainly taken place, but I don't think anyone in charge of road safety is enthusiastic about it.

[giblets]

I think technically, in Felch's analogy, the comparison should be "piloting while stoned" versus "piloting while having gay sex." Have they done studies on that?

No, and they probably don't need to do studies on drunk piloting either. It's amazing that Molly Bloom still hasn't figured out the analogy and thinks Felch is equating being stoned to having a homosexual orientation.

[Wezil]

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[giblets]

No, because he's confusing being gay/homosexual (which is a state) and having sex, which is an activity. I doubt anyone promotes the notion of engaging in sex while piloting an aircraft. Or driving a car for that matter. I understand that the latter has certainly taken place, but I don't think anyone in charge of road safety is enthusiastic about it.

No. No. No. He's claiming that pot smoking (an activity) is analogous to have sex with the same sex (an activity) and that laws that make the mere possession of pot a crime are unfair to people who like pot (which is a state) just as laws banning sodomy would be unfair to men who want to **** other men (which is a state).