Promoting civil rights in Utah

[Hauldren Collider]

Why should we change the laws to suit the whims of a loony religious cult? That sounds like a stupid idea. Explain how a widespread practice of men taking three or four wives doesn't make women subordinate to men.

Don't judge their relationship. For all you know they could be in a perfectly loving and respectful relationship. You are a bigot against mormons--that is the only reason you oppose this. If you were a good person and believed in civil rights, you would understand the moral necessity of the government recognizing their marriage.

[molly bloom]

For the same reasons you change the laws to suit the whims of another minority (gays), equal protection claims.

Oh I see. Heterosexuals have perfectly logical acceptable civil rights- like marriage and divorce (see Britney Spears and Elizabeth Taylor and Zsa Zsa Gabor, et cetera, et cetera...). 'Gays' have 'whims'. That's so funny.

[Jon Miller]

Eh, if you really want a discussion...I don't think we should prosecute such marriages, but nor do I think they're very wise. I imagine they worked just fine in the old days when women were chattels and the husband made all decisions. Each new wife just adds another baby-producing nonentity to the chain. Nowadays women tend to want some semblance of equality or respect, unless they've been raised in an incredibly out-of-touch environment. That means each new wife is another new voice to be consulted and reconciled WRT decision-making. It doesn't sound very stable or functional.

A reasonable point of view.

JM

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh I see. Heterosexuals have perfectly logical acceptable civil rights- like marriage and divorce (see Britney Spears and Elizabeth Taylor and Zsa Zsa Gabor, et cetera, et cetera...). 'Gays' have 'whims'. That's so funny.

No one said it was a civil right. In fact, I would argue that it is not. It is simply government bookkeeping.

Also ha ha, it's so funny, mormons have whims.

[molly bloom]

In fact, I would argue that it is not.

And you'd be wrong.

[giblets]

Don't judge their relationship. For all you know they could be in a perfectly loving and respectful relationship. You are a bigot against mormons--that is the only reason you oppose this. If you were a good person and believed in civil rights, you would understand the moral necessity of the government recognizing their marriage.

You are stupid.

[DaShi]

That pretty much sums it up.

[Hauldren Collider]

You are stupid.

And with that post, you are Kidicious.

[giblets]

That pretty much sums it up.

Are you talking about my or Molly Bloom's post? Either way I agree.

[DinoDoc]

Oh I see. Heterosexuals have perfectly logical acceptable civil rights- like marriage and divorce (see Britney Spears and Elizabeth Taylor and Zsa Zsa Gabor, et cetera, et cetera...). 'Gays' have 'whims'. That's so funny.

Hello, MrFun. Please learn to follow the context of a conversation before going off in an overly emotional huff.

[DaShi]

Actually, that's one of several adequate critiques of your ill thought out comment.

[Tuberski]

My problem with these plural marriages is they usually all end up on welfare forever. I generally support short term help for people who need it but the current system is becoming just too generous. A woman with three kids can get $630 per month in food stamps, $800 a month in housing assistance, $500 per month in cash aid, a free cell phone with 250 minutes per month, 2/3rds off utility bills, discounted internet access, free to extremely cheap medical care, free school lunches for the kids (including breakfast), WIC, and who knows what else. That's easily over $2000 per month and most of that never expires (though the cash aid only lasts for 2 years). Worse most of them have a boyfriend on the side who gives them money or helps them out so really they don't need so much.

I'm not saying welfare is a great lifestyle but it should just be enough to help out for a very short period of time instead of $20,000-$30,000 per year for 1-3 decades. Give them enough to make sure no one dies of starvation and anything more than s/he needs to get a job. It's just absurd.

All of that is what is going on right now, if they were legally allowed to get married, they wouldn't get as many benefits.

And it was the federal government requiring Utah to outlaw polygamy to become a state, that caused a lot of these problems today.

I think polygamists are idiots, but if they had legal rights to marry, the women would have more resources to get out of these marriages.

ACK!

[Uncle Sparky]

Why should the government be in the marriage business anyway?
Keep laws on the books re: kiddy diddling: beyond that, if you want to marry a consenting adult or 2, go ahead, and don't expect tax breaks.

[Berzerker]

This is what happens when I've been drinking, been promoted, and had cute barmaids hit on me...

I hate to break to ya, but they're paid to do that...or they're in business for themselves

[Uncle Sparky]

I hate to break to ya, but they're paid to do that...or they're in business for themselves

That is where tips come from. Don't you watch South Park???

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154313/how-to-be-a-raisins-girl