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    (AP) SALT LAKE CITY — A polygamous family made famous on a reality television show is asking a Utah federal judge not to block their challenge of the state's bigamy law.

    Kody Brown and wives Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn filed a lawsuit in Salt Lake City's U.S. District Court in July. Oral arguments in the case are set for Friday before U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups.

    The stars of the TLC show "Sister Wives" said the law is unconstitutional because it prohibits them from living together and criminalizes their private sexual relationships.

    Under Utah law, people are guilty of bigamy if they have multiple marriage licenses, or if they cohabitate with another consenting adult in a marriage-like relationship.

    Formerly of Lehi, the Browns and their 17 children moved to Nevada in January after police launched a bigamy investigation. The Browns practice as part of their religious beliefs.

    Oral arguments in the case are set for Friday in Salt Lake City's U.S. District Court.

    It's not clear when Waddoups will rule.

    State prosecutors contend the Browns — who haven't been charged — aren't facing any real harm because the state has rarely prosecuted individuals for bigamy without also prosecuting for other crimes, such as underage marriages, sexual abuse or welfare fraud.

    "They have not been warned that if they do not cease to engage in their polygamous relationships that legal actions will be taken against them," Assistant Utah Attorney General Jerrold S. Jensen has said in court papers asking the judge to dismiss the case.

    "And — what is probably the tipping point — there have been no arrests or prosecutions for the mere practice of polygamy in Utah in over 50 years."

    A check of state court records by The Associated Press found at least two cases, however.

    Bob Foster had three wives when he was arrested and charged with bigamy in 1974. He pleaded no contest and was sentenced to six months in Jail. He was released after 21 days and ordered to serve five years of probation. A judge also said Foster was not allowed to live with his families. Foster died from cancer in 2008. He was still married to all three women.

    Mark Easterday was arrested and charged with bigamy in 1999. Authorities were alerted to Easterday's multiple marriage by his first wife as part of a custody battle during their divorce. He ultimately pleaded no contest to adultery because the divorce was finalized before the bigamy case went to trial. Easterday was sentenced to probation.

    Easterday, who left Utah and is currently married to two women, told The Associated Press he believes the Browns are right to fear a bigamy prosecution.

    "I know from experience that they do prosecute," Easterday said. I think they should change the law over the entire country. Why it is that in some places a woman and a woman can be married, but a man can't have another wife?"

    Polygamy in Utah and across much of the Intermountain West is a legacy of 19th century Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mormons abandoned the practice of plural marriage in the 1890s as a condition of Utah's statehood. The church now excommunicates members found engaging in polygamy.

    An estimated 38,000 self-described Mormon fundamentalists continue the practice, believing it brings exaltation in heaven. Most keep their way of life a secret. In most cases, polygamous men are legally married to their first wives and marry subsequent brides only religious ceremonies.
    Why shouldn't this be legal? Give me a solid argument. These people love each other. Who are you to deny them their inalienable right to have the government recognize it on a piece of paper?
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    I honestly have no legal problem with it. The only practical argument is the logistical one re: taxes, etc., which could be fixed by just eliminating any and all tax breaks and loopholes and deductions for everyone, which ought to be done anyway, and never ever will.
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    • #3
      I don't have a problem with it.
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      • #4
        My only problem with polygamy is that it can sometimes be a synonym for "marrying a half dozen child brides," but that doesn't mean that polygamy should be illegal, only that the statutes outlawing child brideship should be enforced.
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        • #5
          Exactly.
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          Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by loinburger View Post
            My only problem with polygamy is that it can sometimes be a synonym for "marrying a half dozen child brides," but that doesn't mean that polygamy should be illegal, only that the statutes outlawing child brideship should be enforced.

            I've changed my mind on this issue.

            Bringing it into the mainstream would make finding predators easier and make it easier for those who are abused to get help.

            There is a case in Canada currently where the first wife (barren) was brought to this country as an aunt, and then could not leave her abusers due to fears of her legal status. Her (and three daughters) ended up the victims of an 'honour' killing.
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            • #7
              Under Utah law, people are guilty of bigamy if they have multiple marriage licenses, or if they cohabitate with another consenting adult in a marriage-like relationship.
              Whoah, I can understand the marriage license part (though not necessarily agree with it) but cohabiting? What the **** business is that of the states?

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              • #8
                That part's true in most states, and pretty much unenforced. There are anti sodomy laws on the books in most states iirc, but they have been de facto repealed.
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                • #9
                  Provided it's all consensual and they don't expect tax breaks for any of it, I don't mind. It's interesting to think how, in the future, this kind of FUBAR family unit might actually provide a supportive environment to raise a child in, now that the traditional extended-family, it-takes-a-village structure has fallen to bits. It'd be better IMO to actually have a close community, but that's a luxury in the internet age, I suppose. Four mothers and one dad is probably less likely to result in a messed up kid than four single mothers, if only because they can support each other.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                    Whoah, I can understand the marriage license part (though not necessarily agree with it) but cohabiting? What the **** business is that of the states?
                    People got around polygamy laws by simply cohabiting with their other wives and not "officially" married. When their was fear of Mormons, they wanted to prevent any attempts at polygamy.
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                    • #11
                      No problem with it. Enforce domestoc violence and children bride laws
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                      • #12
                        We had this discussion not too long ago... I remember talk of the complications of how divorce relates to a polygamist marriage... but I think everyone here except for Ben (and probably Kidicious) has no problem with polygamist marriages as long as the parties involved are all of age and the marriage is consensual.
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                        • #13
                          I'm certainly in favor of them; there's no reason to force women into the choice between a beta male like albie and a life of celibacy when they could be second or third wife to a successful alpha like myself...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                            I'm certainly in favor of them; there's no reason to force women into the choice between a beta male like albie and a life of celibacy when they could be second or third wife to a successful alpha like myself...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                              I'm certainly in favor of them; there's no reason to force women into the choice between a beta male like albie and a life of celibacy when they could be second or third wife to a successful alpha like myself...
                              Epic post.
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