God bless the South Fulton Fire Department

[Kuciwalker]

"The mayor said it comes down to simple business. If they don't collect fire fees, the fire department can't survive and if they make exceptions to the rule, no one will ever pay the fee."

so instead of makeing a ****ing 25 bucks fee mandatory we are going to destroy your life. and iam the bad guy

They can't make the fee mandatory. The fire department is run by the city government; these people live in the surrounding county, and they're the ones who voted to make it non-mandatory.

[Hauldren Collider]

so instead of makeing a ****ing 25 bucks fee mandatory we are going to destroy your life. and iam the bad guy

That would be illegal, the county residents live outside the jurisdiction of the city--hence the optional fee.

EDIT: **** you kuci

[Kuciwalker]

America is a sad place with sad people.

I can see some people (who lack a moral compass) who would think the fire department did the right thing by sticking to the exact terms of deals. I don't agree, but morals aren't absolute.

But the people who cheer this? Or say "God Bless the people who watched and did nothing"? Those people are beyond pathetic, and very sad individuals. Very unfortunate.

The fire department's actions today have a substantial positive externality. pour encourager les autres and all that.

[giblets]

**** them i got mine... look you americnas can do what you want iam just saying its dumb

I agree that the voters in the county in this story are stupid. I'm not, I want my local government to collect taxes to pay for putting out fires.

[DaShi]

Perfect example of something the government should fund.

[Asher]

The fire department's actions today have a substantial positive externality. pour encourager les autres and all that.

Most people don't base their morals on the probability of positive externalities.

For a purportedly Christian nation, I've never seen a country filled with people so openly callous to their fellow man.

[Asher]

For the record, if I passed an old lady getting mugged, I would help her. I would not shrug and say "well, I guess you feel stupid now for not employing a bodyguard".

Similarly I expect police officers to do their job even if a citizen isn't a taxpayer in that county. I expect hospitals to save the life of dying people on their doorstep. I expect firefighters to put out a ****ing fire they're standing on top of.

What I'm saying should resonate with any reasonably well-adjusted individual with an ounce of empathy.

[Jon Miller]

I would put out the fire if I was the fireman.

But the citizens of the county are being immoral because they don't pay for the fire department and yet seem to expect the fire department to do something when they need them. In effect they are stealing.

Another possibility besides not saving the home is to try to guilt them somehow. Or to, when they bill people in the county X, have the statement say 'you are being billed X for this county to have fire protection, if your neighbors agreed to pay their fare share, then you would only need to pay Y < X'.

JM

[Asher]

I would put out the fire if I was the fireman.

But the citizens of the county are being immoral because they don't pay for the fire department and yet seem to expect the fire department to do something when they need them. In effect they are stealing.

Another possibility besides not saving the home is to try to guilt them somehow. Or to, when they bill people in the county X, have the statement say 'you are being billed X for this county to have fire protection, if your neighbors agreed to pay their fare share, then you would only need to pay Y < X'.

JM

I don't even know why we are discussing this. People are essentially paying the fire fee as a form of insurance. If the fire department responds, all they need to do is offer their service for whatever rate is computed and have the owner accept or decline.

To withhold the service completely is asinine and immoral. Yeah, the guy would feel like a douche for not paying the $25 fee or whatever it is and instead pays $25,000 for a one-time call, but that's his prerogative.

[Asher]

dp

[giblets]

Most people don't base their morals on the probability of positive externalities.

For a purportedly Christian nation, I've never seen a country filled with people so openly callous to their fellow man.

The people in that county are *******s who don't pay to have their fires put out and then complain when their houses burn down. Maybe they should show some compassion for their fellow man and stop trying to free-load off of the people in the city.

[Asher]

The people in that county are *******s who don't pay to have their fires put out and then complain when their houses burn down. Maybe they should show some compassion for their fellow man and stop trying to free-load off of the people in the city.

I must've missed the spot where the fire department offered to put out the fire if the homeowner compensated them.

[SlowwHand]

1. The firefighters don't set the policies. Speculating....It's probably the policy of the department to go in if life is in danger but not property, to show the response time if people opted for the service and to be able to isolate the fire away from the clients.
2. Reading the previous thread, what does socialism have to do with offering a service for a fee? This reminds me of people who hate the government and services provided until they need the government and services provided.
3. This should read that people are mad when they can't get something for nothing.

Look, if you're going to go around making sense, you're going to have to be tough. A lot of people here don't like making sense.

[giblets]

I must've missed the spot where the fire department offered to put out the fire if the homeowner compensated them.

How are they going to pay? Credit card? Write a check while they're standing outside of their burning house?

[Asher]

How are they going to pay? Credit card? Write a check while they're standing outside of their burning house?

This is a pretty stupid question.

You sign a contract saying you will pay by X date.