Putin Less Happy?

[Hauldren Collider]

So the cops probably aren't even trying to stop it.

[onodera]

Actually, I'd say that compared to American governors, Russian governors have much less power. There's no breakdown into federal and state-level chains of command here.

[Serb]

Let's see if you can get more people to support UR without busing them from community colleges in other regions.

If there will be any real threat of success of the "Orange" scenario millions will be on the streets.

And, Serb, don't you realize that the people went to this meeting not because of Nemtsov or Mitrokhin or Kasyanov or Limonov?

Part of them are well-paid western whores, the rest are naive idiots.

None of these losers has any real support.

Oh really?
Why the **** they complain they have been robbed if everyone including you knows that is a lie and they don't have any real suppport.

People went there because UR and Putin spat on them by faking the election results,

How is so?
Whose votes UR stole?
Communist? Do you honestly believe that Commies have support of more than 20% of the voters?
LDPR? I'm still amazed how this clown did it again. 10% of votes, imho, is absolute maximum LDPR should have, but they got even more.
SR? Part of former UR voters voted for SR this time 10%+ as they've got.
Yabloko? All so-called "liberals" can't get more than 5% combined and it's an objective reality.

So, who the f*** have been robbed?

WHO???

The outcome of the elections reflects the reality. Like it or not - UR has the support of majority. It's a plain and clear fact. And all those protesters are just sore losers.

and Solidarity and Another Russia were simply surfing the wave. UR should've lost the majority, Vova is already distancing himself from it anyway.

Great, that's why you should stand with them back to back and fight the evil regime. That's idiotism. You wanna bring them to power? Do you know what those puppets will do with our country? Do you need another decade of chaos, wars and anarchy?

Вы там в Москве окончательно ебнулись и зажрались. За МКАДом тоже сть Россия и остальной России насрать на ваши анальные страдания и нытье по америкаским сценариям.

What I don't like is the lack of visible support from any major party. Have you read the proclamations on the CPRF's website? Once again, they've pissed their pants when confronted with a chance of success, just like in 1996.

Or perhaps they have responsibility and they understand what is going on.

LDPR are whores, so no one expected them, and there were a couple of representatives of Just Russia on the meeting, but the desman himself was conspicuously absent.
I don't actually know who to vote for in the presidential elections. You do understand that everything you are afraid of will happen when president Putin kicks the bucket, don't you? The power vacuum created by his demise will be devastating. This is why we need a system, not a leader. And this is why he should go while he still can. Right now he has transfixed everything that can create a self-supporting system with his power vertical. This doesn't solve the problem that you are afraid of. It's like trying to cure ulcer with painkillers. The ulcer just gets worse, and when you run out of painkillers, you're ****ed up. You can't solve the problem of separatism by pinning the region to the country with a governor. This just makes people in Kalinigrad and Vladivostok angrier. You need to reel them in by letting them participate in the federal government. And you can't keep the autonomous republics in by appeasing them with a neverending golden rain. You'll have to close the tap sooner or later, and then they will blow up. I guess Vova is going to let his successor try this out.
I don't want to see the country unravel in front of my eyes any more than you do. To do this, we need to do all of this in a controlled fashion:
- return single mandate deputies;
- go back to electable governors and senators
- implement one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-...voting_systems
- introduce electoral recalls.
If this doesn't happen, and Putin kicks the bucket while still in office, we're in deep ****.

You create a party, go in duma and there do it in controlled fashion if you will have support of majority of population.
Street protests sponsored and inspired from abroad always ends-up like in USSR, Ukraine, Georgia, Egypt, Algeria, Lybia, etc.
Do you want that? Or don't you realize that?

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Serb, the problem isn't that UR "sucks" or "rules" as a party. This is a structural problem. Legitimizing election fraud eventually leads to corruption and misuse of power; once government has no need to gain the support of it's people, the country's leadership is on a slow-heading slippery slope towards tyranny and totalitarianism. Democratic elections without electoral fraud upkeep a Russia that has a government responding to the needs of it's people.

[RGBVideo]

You do understand that everything you are afraid of will happen when president Putin kicks the bucket, don't you? The power vacuum created by his demise will be devastating. This is why we need a system, not a leader.

It's easy to say that things are good and democracy is not really needed when you have a smart and relatively non-corrupt dictator. What will happen if the dictator dies, though? If there's not a democratic system to replace him, there will be a violent power struggle which will be won by the most ruthless and violent (and often, the dumbest) protege. Run this non-democratic power struggle through a couple of times and you end up with a talentless, corrupt and violent tin-pot dictator who gets 10% of your own population in jail and creates death camps for people who think for themselves (oh yeah, and usually invades a couple of small neighboring countries just for the sake of adventure).

[onodera]

If there will be any real threat of success of the "Orange" scenario millions will be on the streets.

Serb, sometimes a banana is just a banana. No one is talking about an orange scenario. Ты НТВ и РТР смотри поменьше.

Part of them are well-paid western whores, the rest are naive idiots.

I'd rather join naive idiots than cunning bastards.

Oh really?
Why the **** they complain they have been robbed if everyone including you knows that is a lie and they don't have any real suppport.

How is so?
Whose votes UR stole?
Communist? Do you honestly believe that Commies have support of more than 20% of the voters?
LDPR? I'm still amazed how this clown did it again. 10% of votes, imho, is absolute maximum LDPR should have, but they got even more.
SR? Part of former UR voters voted for SR this time 10%+ as they've got.
Yabloko? All so-called "liberals" can't get more than 5% combined and it's an objective reality.

So, who the f*** have been robbed?

WHO???

The outcome of the elections reflects the reality. Like it or not - UR has the support of majority. It's a plain and clear fact. And all those protesters are just sore losers.

Like it or not, when there are spikes on the percentage of UR votes every 5%, when there are documented cases of voting fraud, when the percentage of UR voters increases with the turnout it is obvious that the elections have been rigged. UR's real rating is no more than 38%, with the other three major parties sharing the rest.

Great, that's why you should stand with them back to back and fight the evil regime. That's idiotism. You wanna bring them to power? Do you know what those puppets will do with our country? Do you need another decade of chaos, wars and anarchy?

Вы там в Москве окончательно ебнулись и зажрались. За МКАДом тоже сть Россия и остальной России насрать на ваши анальные страдания и нытье по америкаским сценариям.

No one wants to bring them to power. I just want to see UR lose their majority in the Duma. That's what everyone there wanted. Have you not seen the memorandum? Кстати, по-русски можно сказать ёбнулись, ебанулись или наебнулись, а слова ебнулись в литературном языке нет, уж извини.

Or perhaps they have responsibility and they understand what is going on.

Они хотят и рыбку съесть, и на дельфинах покататься. Sorry, other Apolytoners, this is untranslatable, the phrase "to have their cake and eat it too" just doesn't cut it.

You create a party, go in duma and there do it in controlled fashion if you will have support of majority of population.
Street protests sponsored and inspired from abroad always ends-up like in USSR, Ukraine, Georgia, Egypt, Algeria, Lybia, etc.
Do you want that? Or don't you realize that?

Serb, are you really so naive, or are you just trolling me? To create a party you need to separate the UR from the government and the media first. Otherwise your efforts will be buried in the bull**** about Department of the State etc.

Btw, why the **** did you vote for CPRF this year?

[Hauldren Collider]

Они хотят и на ёлку влезть, и на дельфинах покататься. Sorry, other Apolytoners, this is untranslatable, the phrase "to have their cake and eat it too" just doesn't cut it.

According to google, it means "They want to climb the tree, and ride on dolphins."

I assume it's slightly more meaningful in Russian.

[onodera]

According to google, it means "They want to climb the tree, and ride on dolphins."

I assume it's slightly more meaningful in Russian.

The original phrase is "They want both to eat the fish and to mount the ****". The second part is replaced in a polite company with whatever ridiculous phrase you can come up with. The common one is "to climb the Christmas tree", which is what I've mistakenly written first as the first half (fixed it now), but the first time I heard someone use the dolphins one, it really cracked me up for some reason.

[Zevico]

Did you ****ing read my message or did you just scan it for arbitrary keywords?

I mean, really--

You're not on a soapbox trying the sway the hearts and minds with scary words that are mostly overly generic and incorrect.

Arbitrary keywords? How's "incorrect" for arbitrary? Which of the specific incidents referred to above did not happen? Which did the anti-Stalinist propagandists just make up?

[Sirotnikov]

Street protests sponsored and inspired from abroad always ends-up like in USSR, Ukraine, Georgia, Egypt, Algeria, Lybia, etc.

It's late at night, and I could be confused, but is Serb really suggesting all of those protests were inspired from abroad? really?

[Elok]

Well, the bit I translated seemed to imply that NATO wanted to invade Russia, so, yes, probably.

[Sirotnikov]

And Onodera, you have to realize the level of idiotism, lies and blatant propaganda in the western media clearly shows they have the same scenario for Russia as they have implemented in Lybia.

Whereas you see the state Lybia was in prior as a good thing for its citizens?

[Elok]

1. *Libya
2. I'm rather insulted that anyone thinks we're dumb enough to invade Russia.

[onodera]

Arbitrary keywords? How's "incorrect" for arbitrary? Which of the specific incidents referred to above did not happen? Which did the anti-Stalinist propagandists just make up?

That's your homework for today: find out which of those incidents directly affected the life of a simple factory worker. A cheat sheet you may use for some of them:
- it affected only the lives of CPSU members
- it affected a different social class
- it's not an incident but a scary word
- it happened only after the death of Stalin

Your other task is to find a quote by me that proves I am a Stalinist. Please not that a person who is not an anti-Stalinist is not necessarily a Stalinist, just like a person who is against Putin is not necessarily a puppet of Hillary Clinton.

For extra credit, analyze the programs of the four major Russian parties of 2011 and choose the one I should have voted for. Rationalize your choice in a short essay.

[Serb]

Serb, the problem isn't that UR "sucks" or "rules" as a party. This is a structural problem. Legitimizing election fraud eventually leads to corruption and misuse of power; once government has no need to gain the support of it's people, the country's leadership is on a slow-heading slippery slope towards tyranny and totalitarianism. Democratic elections without electoral fraud upkeep a Russia that has a government responding to the needs of it's people.

The problem isn't that there was a fraud, 'cause there was no fraud at all. The problem in hypocrisy and lying nature of your western civilization.
The presidential elections of 1996 in Russia was an unprecedented fraud.

The dirtiest elections ever. That was a complete an unparalleled fraud. Total joke. Everybody knew that Zyuganov won it. Everybody knew that communists had no any access to the mass-media at all. Everybody saw that there was brainwashing anti-communist propaganda campaign on TV everyday, every hour, every channel, in every paper, EVERYWHERE. That was so clear and so obvious. The undisguised shame and farce instead of free elections.

And guess what?

The was the only elections in Russia the United States of America said was truly free and democratic.
Because Yeltsin was your whore.

Everyone who has eyes and at least a bit of brains sees what is going on on this planet. If you are a loyal whore and a puppet of your western masters - you are a beacon of democracy and it doesn't matter that you are in fact a dictator whose only purpose to let his masters pillage the country. As long as you obey - you are fine. He might be a son of a b!tch, but he is our son of a b!tch.
But if you dare to disobey, the power of western brainwashing propaganda machine is unleashed upon you at full strength. And after a couple of years of constant lies and brainwashing - woops! it's a miracle! You are an evil dictator. And millions really believe in that bullsh!t. Then you recruit and train opposition, use local discontent to start the riots and overthrow this disloyal regime. I was 14 when you did this to my country and live long enough to see you are doing this over and over and over again all around the globe using the same scenario. First in USSR, then in Serbia, then Ukraine, then Georgia, then Iraq, then Arab countries and now Russia. And everywhere results are the same: the people you were manipulating, the locals who were seeking a better future for their country are cheated. Their country is ruined, pillaged (sometimes bombed with tens of thousands if not millions dead) and becomes a puppet of their western master. Sometimes it is divided to lesser puppets, sometimes its under direct foreign occupation. But it is always the same all the time: chaos and blood instead of the better future the local naive idiots were looking for.