Clement Attlee was not a good Prime Minister. Discuss.

[Tupac Shakur]

That's pretty much the norm for peacetime leaders of the late 1940s from any given nation.

I am aware that the US had a President called Harry Truman, but for all I know about his achievements he might as well have been replaced with a mop.

I have a hard time believing you actually don't know anything about the US President who dropped the bombs on Japan, oversaw the Marshall Plan, began the policy of containing the Soviet Union that lasted throughout the Cold War, carried out the Berlin Airlift, established NATO, and led America through the worst of the Korean War.

Also, Truman might not have been the best example you could've come up with for a "peacetime" leader.

[Tupac Shakur]

All you retards arguing about "fairness" and healthcare can kindly get the **** out of my history thread.

[kentonio]

I have a hard time believing you actually don't know anything about the US President who dropped the bombs on Japan, oversaw the Marshall Plan, began the policy of containing the Soviet Union that lasted throughout the Cold War, carried out the Berlin Airlift, established NATO, and led America through the worst of the Korean War.

Also, Truman might not have been the best example you could've come up with for a "peacetime" leader.

Most people in the UK wouldn't have a clue about 95% of what you just said.




Then again 50% probably have never heard of Clement Attlee either.

[Tupac Shakur]

Most people in the UK wouldn't have a clue about 95% of what you just said.

They wouldn't know about WWII (which they fought in), the Marshall Plan (which helped rebuild their country), the Cold War (which they played an important role in), the Berlin Airlift (which they participated in), NATO (of which they are a founding member), and the Korean War (which they fought in)? While I don't doubt the average Briton is none too intelligent, I frankly find your claim to be ridiculous.

Bugs ****ing Bunny knows quite a bit about history, so I find his claim to not know anything about Truman's accomplishments to be equally ridiculous.

[kentonio]

They wouldn't know about WWII (which they fought in), the Marshall Plan (which helped rebuild their country), the Cold War (which they played an important role in), the Berlin Airlift (which they participated in), NATO (of which they are a founding member), and the Korean War (which they fought in)? While I don't doubt the average Briton is none too intelligent, I frankly find your claim to be ridiculous.

WWII obviously, however which US president was in charge at the time almost certainly not. In a time of memorable leaders, Americas were dull by comparison.

Berlin airlift? Any not old enough to have lived at the time probably wouldn't know.

Marshall plan? Not a prayer. Maybe one in a hundred people under 60.

Korean War? Mostly only those that lived through it.

NATO & Cold War? Most would know about them, but not a particular US president's role.

Most of what you consider important is irrelevant to people here. Similarly most Americans don't know **** about things we consider obvious.

Bugs ****ing Bunny knows quite a bit about history, so I find his claim to not know anything about Truman's accomplishments to be equally ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous at all, history as you may have noticed is quite a big place.

[Kuciwalker]

kentonio is making a pretty good case re: British ignorance.

[giblets]

WWII obviously, however which US president was in charge at the time almost certainly not. In a time of memorable leaders, Americas were dull by comparison.

Berlin airlift? Any not old enough to have lived at the time probably wouldn't know.

Marshall plan? Not a prayer. Maybe one in a hundred people under 60.

Korean War? Mostly only those that lived through it.

NATO & Cold War? Most would know about them, but not a particular US president's role.

Most of what you consider important is irrelevant to people here. Similarly most Americans don't know **** about things we consider obvious.



It's not ridiculous at all, history as you may have noticed is quite a big place.

The history education must be awful where you live. We give you 3 billion dollars and none of you know about it? **** you.

[Tupac Shakur]

kentonio is making a pretty good case re: British ignorance.

Yes, I'm nearly convinced that he and his countrymen are all simpletons.

[kentonio]

kentonio is making a pretty good case re: British ignorance.

No I'm making the argument that what you consider important is often nothing particularly interesting to many of us. Why would the Korean War where we had a small presence be of huge significance to the British who'd were still recovering from 6 years of WW2 at the time? Why would the current generations be deeply informed about it now, 60+ years on?

More particularly why would we care which US president was in the oval office at the time of particular events? How many Prime Ministers do you reckon you could link to particular significant events if you didn't have google and wiki to consult?

[kentonio]

Oh and considering the near total lack of knowledge most Americans have about anything outside the US, this is pretty ****ing funny to be honest.

[Tupac Shakur]

That jab would be better used in a thread that wasn't started by an American specifically to discuss the accomplishments of a British Prime Minister.

[kentonio]

Which would itself be more impressive had it not come on the back of another thread where that Prime Ministers accomplishments were already being discussed.

When we come down to it, the knowledge people here have of history is far higher than the national average. There are plenty of ignorant people in all our countries.

[Tupac Shakur]

Speak for your own country. Americans certainly remember WWII, the Korean War, and the Cold War.

[kentonio]

Speak for your own country. Americans certainly remember WWII, the Korean War, and the Cold War.

Way to miss the point. The British remember WW2 very strongly, we were in it a lot longer than you lot for one thing. The Korean War and to a lesser degree the Cold War however were US issues. People remember what was important to them, and the Cold War to the British was mostly a fear of nuclear war between two large other nations.

How much do most American's know about other peoples wars and conflicts? How much about the Falklands, about Oman, about the Russo-China war, Russia/Japan, India/Pakistan etc etc etc? From all the evidence I've seen, if America wasn't a dominant part in something, most Americans don't know **** about it.

[Tupac Shakur]

The Cold War was about Europe; the Soviets weren't going to roll their tanks into Cleveland if the US had decided not to counter them. You really are ignorant...

the Russo-China war

Are you talking about the border skirmishes during the Cold War?

From all the evidence I've seen, if America wasn't a dominant part in something, most Americans don't know **** about it.

Even if this is the case (which I don't concede), America has been the dominant actor in most world events since the end of WWII, so it makes sense that Americans would be more informed about history than the apparently moronic British.