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  • An MEU does come with a certain number of college educated officers....
    “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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    • What's your point? Even Alby has a college degree...

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      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
        Pretty sure Drake's factually wrong on this. As much as he likes to make fun of the marines, and by extension, Alby, I'm pretty sure they have higher IQ stats than the Army or Navy or Coast Guard. Can't find data on it right now though.
        The minimum ASVAB score to enlist in the Marine Corps is higher than the Army but lower than the Navy and Coast Guard. To be fair, though, the minimum scores are close enough to each other relative to the scale, that the differences are small. It doesn't take much brains to enlist into the military, but different occupational specialties require higher scores.


        What's your point? Even Alby has a college degree...
        Straight from the office of the Philadelphia Officer Selection Office, the minimum requirements for selection from a previous OCS class were a 3.3 college GPA and 1250 (excluding the new written portion) on the SATs.

        We're not talking necessarily geniuses but those are respectable enough standards.
        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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        • the marines would soon run out of fuel, and ammo, and than it would be hand to hand combat...

          ultimately you would have thousands of marines crucified upside down for starting a rebellion, and the lucky ones becoming gladiators to fight among themselves and the wild beasts - that's entertainment
          Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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          • My ASVAB score was 132.
            This is why they would not let me in the marines. Too high a score.

            Because of my aptitude score, They kept bugging me for Green Beret training.
            Last edited by Docfeelgood; October 20, 2011, 08:17.

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            • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              Pretty sure Drake's factually wrong on this. As much as he likes to make fun of the marines, and by extension, Alby, I'm pretty sure they have higher IQ stats than the Army or Navy or Coast Guard. Can't find data on it right now though.
              This is a given and provable by evidence. Oerdin was in the army and is always wrong. Alby wishes to be in the marines and is wrong only 90% of the time.
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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              • Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
                Jarheads aren't smart enough for this to be plausible.



                You would be wrong.
                Nope, Marines love Kirk and would remember the gladiatorial fight between him and the Gorn. Also Marines love all things that go boom.
                "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                • Mythbusters disproved the Gorn fight.
                  Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                  Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                  We've got both kinds

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                  • Mythbusters obviously are a bunch of Klingon loving scum.
                    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                    • They wanted it to be true SO much.
                      Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                      Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                      We've got both kinds

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                      • They obviously tanked the results to make sure their Klingon overlords were able to taint the good name of teh Kirk.
                        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                        • Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                          Mythbusters disproved the Gorn fight.
                          No way!

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                            • MEU lands with enough supplies for 30 days of combat. It would not take 30 days of combat to take out the Roman army with firearms. Not even a Roman army with the bogus 11,000-man legions from the OP (legions had a paper strength of 4,800 legionaries and centurions, and 1,200 non-combatants, though were seldom at full strength in Augustus's time). Augustus's 30 legions would have something like 125,000 combatants. The MEU, though, would not have 2,000 combatants; it would have around 1,000. There is no question that 1,000 combat Marines, even ignoring artillery and tanks, could destroy any ancient army on the battlefield. It couldn't hold much territory, though, and so couldn't win wars against ancient foes like the Romans who didn't concentrate all their power in one family.

                              The Marines would arguably side with Augustus, though, not with his enemies. Augustus represented order and progress and Marines could identify with that.
                              The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
                              - A. Lincoln

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                              • Siding with Augustus is the most likely outcome, I agree. Marines would be sensible enough to attach themselves to a stabilizing influence, one that could keep them fed for more than a month. Considering the positive perception we have of Rome and Augustus, I think it's especially likely. A thousand marines would be a tremendous benefit for the emperor, who could use them to be the elite of his army.
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